Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by KarlVonVitry » 17 Feb 2014 09:27

Maxschnauzer wrote:One of the three “Jolanthe-Schwein” Ju 87A's that served in Spain in 1938. One of my all time favorite aircraft- I love pigs, I love Stukas and I love those big old spats on the early models where they could paint "nose art". :D Source: http://ww2images.blogspot.com/2014/01/j ... ondor.html
29_5 These photos were taken at Sanjurjo's airfield at Zaragoza in the summer of 1938. The Stuka is newly arrived and has not yet painted the logo of Jolanthe (this anagram would subsequently painted in La Senia's airfield at Tarragona). You can see the geometric white stain on the right pant of its landing gear, is a unique feature of 29_5

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Post by Maxschnauzer » 23 Feb 2014 10:54

While we're on the subject, here's a photo of 29-3 with what appears to be a wheel in the foreground. No pig logo on the pants yet. According to the article accompanying the photo the pants were at one point removed because they tended to dig into the ground when it was soft or muddy:
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Arto O » 06 Mar 2014 03:35

Nice pictures of the colours of Legion Condor
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Source: elgrancapitan.org

Dornier-17
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Maxschnauzer » 06 Mar 2014 10:39

Here's kind of an odd duck- A Polikarpov I-16 in LC markings.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Ironmachine » 06 Mar 2014 14:10

Maxschnauzer wrote:A Polikarpov I-16 in LC markings.
Not LC, but Spanish "Air Force" markings. In fact, it seems to correspond with this one:
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Post by Maxschnauzer » 06 Mar 2014 23:52

OK. So this was post SCW then. There are a couple of similar schemes on the following chart. Were any I-16's captured and "recycled" prior to 1939?
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Ironmachine » 07 Mar 2014 17:21

Some were captured or changed side during the war, yes. Some in flying condition were used in trials and shows, but AFAIK that is as far as the "recycling" went during the war.

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Post by Maxschnauzer » 08 Mar 2014 06:49

Interesting. Thanks.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Maxschnauzer » 13 Mar 2014 00:55

Aborted post, can't delete for some reason. Delete post box doesn't show :oops: Marcus, Help please! :lol:
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Post by Maxschnauzer » 13 Mar 2014 00:56

An undated photo of the same I-16. The caption says Piloto de la LC posando frente a un I-16 nacional. Were Nacionalista aircraft sometimes flown by LC piliots? Can anyone ID the tail roundel?
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Maxschnauzer » 13 Mar 2014 01:30

Arto O wrote:Nice pictures of the colours of Legion Condor
Here's Franco being presented the colors at the LC Farewell Ceremony:
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Ironmachine » 13 Mar 2014 07:58

Maxschnauzer wrote:Can anyone ID the tail roundel?
It's the emblem of the "Patrulla Azul" of Joaquín García-Morato:
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Maxschnauzer » 14 Mar 2014 01:55

Excellent! Gracias.
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Arto O » 14 Mar 2014 03:32

Interesting pictures. "Vista suerte y al toro" of the emble of "Petrulla azul" How to translate it? I understand the words but not the meaning. "Good luck to view the enemy and catch the bull=enemy"?
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Re: Photos of Axis airplanes in Spain

Post by Ironmachine » 14 Mar 2014 08:25

"Suerte y ¡al toro!" is a common expresion taken for bullfighting, used to wish good luck before beginning the bullfighting, a fight in which you are risking your life. From there it has became an expresion to wish good look before beginning a difficult task. Adding "Vista" is like saying "be careful!". So "Vista, suerte y al toro" could mean something like "Be careful, have good look and join the fight" or something like that.
The funny thing is that the motto was not created on purpose, but by chance. As Morato wrote in his book War in the air, there was a pilot who was always asking Morato to join the unit, so to get him off Morato told him that he would admit him in the unit if he guessed the unit's motto. As there was no such thin, Morato was sure to have ended the matter.
But the pilot began to ask everyone in the unit about the motto, and finally someone, to get rid of him, told him that it was "Vista, suerte y al toro". When the pilot went to tell Morato his "find", Morato liked it so much that he decided to adopt it for his unit.
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