Weapons used in the spanish civil war

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Re: Weapons used in the spanish civil war

Post by haxtur » 02 Jun 2019 11:59

I too think there are two Astra.
This is the Campogiro model 1913/16
esperanza y unceta mod Campogiro.jpg
We can see the hammer, the Astra don't have, the barrel is different too, the trigger system is more down in the Campogiro.
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Post by tigre » 02 Jun 2019 17:12

Thanks again :wink:. Good picture haxtur. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Post by von thoma » 02 Jun 2019 22:12

Another spanish pistol in war service
JO.LO.AR 1924 , 9 mm Largo
It could be loaded with one hand



* We can observe a curious stovepipe jam in 2:54
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Post by tigre » 04 Jun 2019 03:57

Interesting, thanks for sharing von thoma :wink:. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).

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Post by Herculaneum » 16 Aug 2021 20:29

Hi, some Japanese Arisaka Type 30 arms were used in Spain during the civil war. They ended in Spanish hands via USSR. They may be from the Japanese inventory that had been captured by Russians in 1905 during the Russo-Japanese war.

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Post by von thoma » 21 Aug 2021 03:17

Below an M1926 helmet, four common small arms of the Civil War: a Spanish 7mm M1893 Mauser rifle showing its straight bolt handle;
a 7.65 mm Ruby pistol made in Spain for a World War I French Army contract; a 7.63 mm Astra Model 900 copy of the Mauser C96 ‘broomhandle’
pistol; and the ubiquitous 9 mm Largo Astra Model 400, adopted by the Army as the M1921.
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Post by von thoma » 21 Aug 2021 06:57

The Republican Army was supplied with small batches of the soviet submachine gun PPD-34.
Many models of weapons arrived from the Soviet Union, but curiously very few submachine guns.
PPD-34 submachine guns that arrived in the Republican zone only had the standard magazine of thirty-five rounds.
The weight was 5 1/2 Kg.
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Re: Weapons used in the spanish civil war

Post by kfbr392 » 22 Sep 2021 18:31

quick question: were any MG 34 in use with Legion Condor? Wikipedia says so, but I don‘t think its very likely for reasons of Wehrmacht secrecy regarding the MG 34 prewar.

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Post by Ironmachine » 23 Sep 2021 08:12

Not only Wikipedia, there are many books that mention the MG-34 as used or at least tested by the Condor Legion in the SCW. It is clear from documentary evidence that it was not provided to Spanish troops. There is always the possibility that it was used in very small numbers for some combat tests in "controlled environment" by the Germans, but AFAIK there is no documentary evidence or photo of the presence of the MG-34 in Spain in that period.

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Post by Terry Duncan » 23 Sep 2021 09:23

A post by vicky101 was removed by this author for quoting an article and not citing sources. Plagiarism is not allowed, when quoting something directly can you please post a link to the original.

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Post by kfbr392 » 23 Sep 2021 16:36

thanks, Ironmachine

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Post by von thoma » 25 Sep 2021 01:21

A Lewis gun in use during the filming of movie ' For whom the bell tolls'.
I also see very unlikely its widespread use in SCW.
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Re: Weapons used in the spanish civil war

Post by Ironmachine » 27 Sep 2021 15:04

von toma wrote:A Lewis gun in use during the filming of movie ' For whom the bell tolls'.
I also see very unlikely its widespread use in SCW.
That will depend on what you mean by widespread! :wink:
It was available in significant numbers, probably more than one thousand Lewis reached Spain (from Soviet and Polish stocks). And there is ample evidence (including photographs) of its use in the SCW.
So it's a very different case from that of the MG-34.

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Re: Weapons used in the spanish civil war

Post by gebhk » 21 Oct 2021 09:20

Hi Ironmachine
probably more than one thousand Lewis reached Spain (from Soviet and Polish stocks).
Do you happen to know what the docuemntary sources are for the information that Lewis guns were delivered to Spain from Poland? The only scrap I have is an unreferenced statement that 112 were sold to the 'Grimard' company for (according to the documentation) delivery to Haiti, which were 'probably' in fact delivered to the Republicans.

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Post by Ironmachine » 21 Oct 2021 16:16

In my notes I have 400 Lewis sent by SEPEWE (Syndicat Exporti Przemyski Wejennego) arriving to Spain on 3 March 1937. IIRC, the source was Gerald Howson's Arms for Spain: the Untold Story of the Spanish Civil War, but I can't confirm that because I don't have the book now.
On the other hand, there is this online article: https://acami.es/wp-content/uploads/202 ... il-web.pdf
about light weapons sent by Poland to Spain during the SCW. The author is Lucas Molina Franco, a well-known, highly reputed researcher on weaponry of the SCW. It mentions that 412 Polish Lewis machine-guns were sent to Spain, together with 7 million 7,69 mm rounds for them.
This same author has just published a book about Polish weapons in the SCW: Polonia y el tráfico de armas en la Guerra Civil española. There is probably more information about the Polish Lewis there, but I have not read it.
Hope that helps.
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