Britons and Americans in the Nationalist forces

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Re: Britons and Americans in the Nationalist forces

Post by Ironmachine » 21 Feb 2021 20:10

Sid Guttridge wrote:The Nationalists were nevertheless outnumbered until near the end.
But not outgunned. And even if outnumbered they still mobilised less "quintas" than the Republicans, so basically they were "outnumbered" because they allowed it to happen. That is, outnumbered or not, they have more than enough men and could have had more if they had wanted without resorting to enlisting foreign volunteers. On the other hand, there is no point in having more men if you don't have enough weapons for them.
Sid Guttridge wrote: Furthermore, they took the Irish Battalion and any other foreign volunteers they got, so I doubt that there was reluctance on their part.
They took it rather reluctantly and they also sent it away as soon as possible when they showed they were not of any value. But I think you are missing my point. It is not that they did not accept any volunteer that arrived, it's that they didn't show any interest in facilitating their arrival in Spain. Other than Moroccans (obviously Germans and Italians are a different matter), any other volunteer had to reach Spain by himself. There was no attempt to organize a recruitment campaing abroad.

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Re: Britons and Americans in the Nationalist forces

Post by Ironmachine » 21 Feb 2021 20:30

Sid Guttridge wrote:Hi Guys,

The Nationalists had the Spanish Foreign Legion. How did it sustain its numbers in the Spanish Civil War?
As it had sustained its number before the Spanish Civil War: mostly by enlisting Spanish volunteers. Despite its initial name, Tercio de Extranjeros, foreigners were always a a small minority, and by the beginning of the SCW much more so: by the summer of 1936, about 95% of the Tercio's men were Spaniards. Some foreigners enlisted in the Tercio/Legión during the war, but the great increase in size during the war, from 6 to 18 banderas (battalions) pluas one tank bandera and a flamethrower company, was accomplished basically with Spanish volunteers.

P.S.: By the way, it has never been named the "Spanish Foreign Legion" (Legión Extranjera Española).

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Re: Britons and Americans in the Nationalist forces

Post by Komi » 22 Feb 2021 13:04

Ironmachine wrote:
21 Feb 2021 20:10
It is not that they did not accept any volunteer that arrived, it's that they didn't show any interest in facilitating their arrival in Spain. Other than Moroccans (obviously Germans and Italians are a different matter), any other volunteer had to reach Spain by himself. There was no attempt to organize a recruitment campaing abroad.
This happened to the Irish Brigade. Only a portion of the men who joined were able to make it to Spain, there were many others left behind in Ireland because Franco never facilitated transport for them.

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Re: Britons and Americans in the Nationalist forces

Post by von thoma » 21 Aug 2021 02:54

Eoin O’Duffy was an Irish ex-soldier, ex-police commissioner and pro-fascist political activist, who led 700
Irish volunteers to Spain to fight on Franco’s side in winter 1936/37– a short-lived and unsuccessful venture.
Here showing him in a tunic sporting Irish harps on his lapels, the badge of the Spanish Foreign Legion on his shoulder straps,
and Spanish ' general de brigada' ranking on his cap and cuffs.
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