OOB the Siamese army 1941?

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OOB the Siamese army 1941?

Post by CyirlSh » 29 Jul 2006 11:46

Whether is detailed OOB the Siamese army in 1941.

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Post by King Maker » 30 Jul 2006 03:52

Check the Niehorster site. Note that by 1941 the country's official name was Thailand.

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Post by Animal » 30 Jul 2006 03:57

King Maker wrote:Check the Niehorster site. Note that by 1941 the country's official name was Thailand.
What's the link to that?

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Post by Andy H » 30 Jul 2006 03:58

The link is below in case you didn't know what Kingmaker was talking about

http://niehorster.orbat.com/082_thailan ... iland.html

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Post by King Maker » 30 Jul 2006 05:21

Funny that you do not know Niehorster's website. It is one of the most famous and good sites out there!

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Post by Windward » 30 Jul 2006 17:02

King Maker wrote:It is one of the most famous and good sites out there!
I didn't find Manchukuo or China (Nanking government) in that site, nor Chinese Air Force and the remained Chinese Navy. Obviously it needs some updates.

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Post by Andy H » 30 Jul 2006 17:13

King Maker wrote:Funny that you do not know Niehorster's website. It is one of the most famous and good sites out there!
Not everyone knows every site. Maybe he/she does know of this site but at least by providing the link we cover the bases.

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Post by King Maker » 30 Jul 2006 17:31

I wasn't mean to be insulting. I just find it funny someone doesn't know that prominent site (it one of the first site I find, along with this axis history one). No offence I mean.

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Post by King Maker » 30 Jul 2006 17:32

Also I thought I recommend my friend site already but it seem not so. So here it is, you also can try it:

http://www.geocities.com/thailandwwii/oob.html

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Post by Daniel Laurent » 31 Jul 2006 09:29

King Maker wrote:Note that by 1941 the country's official name was Thailand.
The name Thailand was given to the Kingdom in 1939 by the then Premier Pibul Songgram.
Concerning the Oob of the Royal Thai Army in 41, it was given above, but I can add some details regarding the 1940 Frenco-Thai war

Army : 60 000 men rather well equipped with US materials, plus 300 000 men in the reserve

Airforce : About 150 planes including biplans Vought and Curtiss Hawk 75

Navy: 2 armoured coastguards (2300 t, 15,5 nds, 4 X 203 mm), the Sri Ayuthia (1937, built in Japan, sometimes called Ahidea) and the Dhonburi (1938, built in Japan)

2 armoured "canonnières" (900 t, 2 X 152 mm) - How you would callthat in english ??

9 torpedoes launchers class Puket (470 tonnes, 31 nds, 3 X 75 mm, built in Italy)
out of wich the Chonbury (1937), Songhkla (1937) and Trad or Trat (1935)

2 patrollers class Kantan (110 tonnes, 19 nds, 1 X 75 mm, 1937)

2 avisos class Tachin (2000 t, 17 nds, 4 X 105 mm, 1936)

4 sub-marines class Sinsamudar (430 t, made in Japan)

Sorry for the poor vocabulary, this is directly translated from my french version...
:oops:

During the naval battle of Koh Chang (16-17 january 1940), the Thai Navy lost 1/3 of its fleet:
The Dhonburi, the Sri Ayuthia, the Trad, the Songhkla and the Chonburi.
From the 550 thai sailors engaged, only about 100 hundred survived.
The French had no loss.

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Post by King Maker » 31 Jul 2006 13:17

Sorry Mr. Daniel, but the Thai Navy only lost the total of 41 men killed and 67wounded (some are the marines killed during the French raid into Chanthaburi).

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Post by Daniel Laurent » 31 Jul 2006 15:14

Hi King Maker,
Are you Thai ? Please confirm.
I live in Bangkok and I have a PM to send to you !
Now, 2 remarks re. your post :
1 - Please don't call me Mr. Daniel, thanks.
If you are Thai, Khun Daniel will perfectly do.
:D
2 - We are both wrong re. the casualties during the battle of Koh Chang as neither you nor me quote any sources....
I will go back home and cross-check mine.
You will do the same.
And let's see.
Maybe the real figures are somewhere in between.

However, the French won the naval battle but lost the ground battle (Not enough forces to oppose to the Royal Thai Army) and the Japanese "mediation" settled the question in favor of Thailand.
Not a page of glory for both sides.

For the French, I prefer to talk about the Free French, the Resistance, Anvil-Dragoon, Monte Cassino and the like.
For the Thai, I prefer to talk about the way His Majesty The King Rama V superbly manoeuvered in between the French (Indochina) and the British (Burma, Malaya) colonialist ambitions and consequently prevented Thailand to become a colony.
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If you are Thai, a small quote that nobody except you and me will understand in this forum : I went yesterday to Siriraj Hospital with my wife, both of us with our yellow shirts and we signed the book. Hard queue, many people.
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Post by major grubert » 31 Jul 2006 15:48

I see that King Maker has already recommended my site.

The following figures are from "When the Thonburi Fought" by Admiral Jit Songkhaduln, a veteran of the battle. The book itself in an indispensable collection of articles and accounts both official and personal of the battle - it too includes the official French account (which the author refutes the claim that 5 ships were sunk; in fact only three were).

The RTN lost a total of 36 men killed during the battle, 2 of whom were officers. 20 belonged to HTMS Thonburi, 14 to the Songkhla, and 2 to the Chonburi.

I believe the figures King Maker quotes are from the official account (IIRC, I will have to check), reproduced by Sorasanya Phaengspha in his book "The Indochina War: Thai Fights France".

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Post by Andy H » 31 Jul 2006 15:59

2 armoured "canonnières" (900 t, 2 X 152 mm) - How you would callthat in english ??
Gunboat?

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Post by King Maker » 31 Jul 2006 16:03

Yes the book I use is that book. It is my only source. But it say the figure are from the official.

We can be proud of the war with France, we won it in air and on ground. Not because the Thai army bigger. It was a real victory, because also we got what we want. Even Koh Chang was heroic battle, because compare the size and power of the ship. The Thai ship are very small! Look at following, the French lose:

http://www.geocities.com/thailandwwii/phumpreav.html

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