Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Peter H » 27 May 2008 09:58

A Japanese account--Chasing the Chindits:

http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/v ... 87&t=32713
An account of an engagement between Lance Corporal Shinsaku Honma, 2nd Machine gun company, 2nd battalion, 215 Infantry Regiment, 33 Division and a small Chindit force

While we had been enjoying a peaceful occupation of Monywa, we were told that a British force had penetrated into Burma, and our 2nd Battalion arrived at Kanbalu railway station (about 100km south east of Pinlebu) from Monywa on 23 February 1943. It was on 3rd march that our battalion commander, Major Ichiro nasu, was killed in an unexpected clash with Ghurkhas in the jungle. In order to trap the enemy ten men, including myself from the Machine gun Company, were attached to 7th Rifle Company and advanced towards Yu River.

We arrived at the village as ordered, but we found no sign of the enemy and the village people welcomed us and showed us dances by Burmese girls. When we woke the next morning there were no girls or children in the village and soon all the village people disappeared. At that time we did not suspect that our move had been disclosed to the enemy. It was when we were taking a sleep wearing only underpants that we heard the noise of British planes. I did not mind the sound as I thought they would go and bomb our rear. But then I noticed something strange and went outdoors and found the planes circling over the village. I cried "Air Raid,Air Raid" and everybody dressed only in underwear ran out of the village.

At that time a plane came diving on us, so I cried "Quick", escape to the jungle as you are now!Quick we left or rifles and kit in the house. Before we could run 50 metres, 2 bombs fell in the centre of the village and exploded. The second plane was already diving which caused a fire in a house and a palm tree fell down. We all sat still in the jungle. The fire was terrifying as well as the bombs. When the bombing by the forth plane was over we carried our guns and ammunition and kit from the house. As soon as we entered the jungle, the planes started raking the ground with 20mm machine guns, but fortunately without any damage. The planes left and half the houses in the village were burnt down.

A messenger came from 7th Company telling us to move to a jungle 1km northeast. Arriving there, we found the traces of camping and horse droppings. They must have been the enemies. The place was suitable for camping with a water source and big trees. As the enemy were on a strict mission they must avoided entering villages and tried not to be informed on to the Japanese army. We spent the rest of the day building toilets and putting up tents. Another plane came and flew low over the village but did not attack it. We judged the plane came because the enemy was nearby.
Next morning suddenly we were ordered to fight. We carried mess kits wrapped in camouflage nets, canteen and 15 rounds of ammunition. We came to a place where there was a river 50m wide with water 30cm deep because of the dry season. To the right there was a wide marshland with reeds, and beyond it tall palm trees where probably there was a village.

The leading section suddenly started to run and we heard someone cry "Enemy"--it was so unexpected that we had no time to fire. The enemy poured into the marshland. I assembled the gun so it could be carried by 4 men, though the platoon did not order this. We did not know the strength of the enemy. Lt Takizawa, commander 7th company, ordered us to encircle the marshland and our machine gun was located in the centre on a cliff above the river. A few minutes later I heard the sound of broken reeds about 40m ahead. Our plan was to fire at them with machine gun and grenade launchers and to threaten them that we were a large troop, and then the rifle sections would pursue them. My MG fired 5 rounds into the area where we heard the noises. Grenade launchers were also fired. Enemy soldiers came out one by one; all were captured without any bloodshed. The plan of Lt Takizawa had been successful. We took them to the ox-cart road and examine their belongings. The senior man was a medical officer who had more than 200 1 rupee silver coins on him in a cotton bag.

We moved our camping site to a foot of a mountain 1.5km from the former position. For the next 2 or 3 day we had no information on the enemy. Probably on the forth day about 15 enemy soldiers came in a single file at a leisurely pace on the road at which our MG was aiming. All of us were tense. Distance, 200m. The enemy had not noticed us. On one side of the enemy was a river, the other was reed bushes. Our rifle units were ready to charge. I did the accurate aiming and awaited the order of the commander.

I pressed the trigger as soon as I heard LT Takizawa order,"Fire"-- before I had fired 1 round the entire enemy lay flat on the ground. There happened to be drift wood nearby and the enemy hid behind it. While I was consulting with the section leader whether I should fire to intimidate them. Lt Sakamaki came running to us holding his Japanese sword in one hand and ordering me to cover the charge of the rifle units. As 5 or 6 men who were still on the road started to move, I fired about 20 bullets. A white cloth tied to a stick appeared behind the driftwood and was waved. The rifle platoon advanced with bayonets on rifles. There were only 8 men behind the driftwood; all were captured. It was the officer who held out the white flag. The remaining 15 men ran into the reeds. I thought there should be 7 or 8 in there. Around midnight I heard men walking in the river about 50m below our gun, so everybody took up their positions. But it was so dark that we could not see 10m ahead. They were lucky: they must have returned to India safely.

Because our sleep was disturbed we slepted well after breakfast. At about 10 o clock I was roused by the sentry, alarm. Again 7 or 8 soldiers came walking leisurely with rifles on shoulder straps. I knew I should not let them escape into the jungle again. If they reached the driftwood it would be a repeat of yesterday. I aimed exactly at the waist of the man in front, so that even if he lay flat the bullets would hit the men in the rear. I reported "Enemy" but the order to shoot did not come. I am supposed to fire by the order of the platoon leader. I made up my mind that I would not care to be scolded later, and pressed the trigger. The leading three men fell down one by one. Then I moved my aim to the remaining men who lay flat and fired another 30 bullets; 7th company ran to the enemy and found 2 men killed and 5 wounded. I was impressed by the excellent performance of the type 92 medium machine gun. Enemy soldiers captured yesterday and today wounded (British) were delivered to battalion headquarters at Mawleik.

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Graeme Sydney » 05 Jun 2008 00:45

I took the time to read the above; without proof either ways, it reads like propaganda, or worst. It doesn't have a 'ring of truth'.

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Peter H » 10 Jun 2008 12:12

Agree!

One Chindit who was previously captured but escaped from Rangoon:

http://www.chindit.org.uk/17history.htm
Won Wingate's Award

Since joining the Forces Sgt. William Clift R.A. of Car Bank Square, Atherton, has had many exciting experiences. He was captured by the Japanese at Rangoon early in 1942, but escaped by swimming several miles. He got to India and was in the activities on the Burma Road. Here in one skirmish he was the only one of the detatchment of 92 to get back safely. He was taken by plane to Chung King and from there has resumed operations against the Japanese. He has written to his mother that General Wingate under whom he is serving, offered 200 rupees to the first man to capture a Japanese officers sword. Sgt. Clift won the money and still has the sword. He writes: "A Japanese officer was firing at us with a light machine gun from behind a pagoda. I was lucky enough to get close without being hit, and I kicked him out of it. He got up and tried to cut me up with his sword, he took a swipe but it bounced off my bayonet, so I slit his body then hit him with the butt. He stayed dead, but his pal threw a grenade at me and knocked me stupid. I think I can safely say 'I will be in Bent this christmas.' God knows I've seen enough of these slit eyed beasts out here, but they look better dead than alive." Sgt. Clift attended Lee St. and Hesketh Fletcher schools and was formerly employed by St Georges Pit, Tyldesley. In the army he has won several cups for boxing and swimming. His younger brother James is a first class stoker in the Navy.

Courtesy of the Leigh Atherton and Tyldesley Journal 1944

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by The_Enigma » 12 Jun 2008 14:30

Allot of intresting stuff there, although i have to echo the thoughts of Graeme the Japanese account just doesnt seem believable.

The story about Lieutenant Cairns VC is just ... wow! 8O

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Post by Peter H » 29 Nov 2008 06:12

From: http://cbi-theater-1.home.comcast.net/~ ... 62244.html

June 1944:
VICEROY'S SON HURT IN ACTION

Capt. Archibald John Wavell, son of former C-in-C India Command and present Viceroy, has been wounded in action while leading a recent Chindit attack on enemy positions near Mogaung.

Wavell has been evacuated and is reported to have lost his left hand. He was leading a company of South Staffordshires.
Wavell was killed fighting the Mau Mau's in Kenya 1953:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_ ... arl_Wavell

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Peter H » 29 Nov 2008 09:04

An Australian who served with the Chindits,Flight-Lieutenant Alex Roberts.

http://www.peterthompson.net/Pacific_Alex_Roberts3.jpg

Roberts served in the Battle of Britain with 452 Squadron.Later shot down over France,captured,but managed to escape to Spain..told afterwards "I couldn't fly over France any more,because if I were shot down,I might be recognised and tortured to reveal details about the French underground.."

Served with Calvert as an Air Ground Liason officer calling in Mustang strikes at Moguang.

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Post by Peter H » 20 Dec 2008 03:25

According to Trevor Royle's Orde Wingate Irregular Soldier the Gurkhas didn't like serving under Wingate and Wingate disliked them.
..Wingate's reasons for disliking the Gurkhas lay mainly in the distrust he felt for the Indian Army;according to Mountabatten he caused great offence in New Delhi by describing the Indian Army as 'the largest unemployed relief organisation in the world' and made it clear that under no circumstances would he have Indian soldiers under his command.In particular he was 'pathologically opposed' to the close ,almost mystical,family relationship which existed between the officers and men of most Indian regiments.This was particularly true in the Gurkha Rifle regiments..

Also,they[the Gurkhas] did not like the way in which Wingate treated their officers in public.Early on,while preparing the training regime,Wingate insisted that all officers should run from one position to the next and angrily berated those who could not keep up with him.To the Gurkha soldiers,schooled in a tradition of mutual respect,this was thoroughly disagreeable as they detested seeing their officers lose face in a public way...

Calvert noticed that the Gurkhas had a good conceit of their own abilities in jungle warfare and that they were disinclined to accept Wingate's theories.There was also a suspicion that this disdain filtered down from the training depots with the result that none of the Gurkha regiments serving under Wingate ever reconciled themselves to his command..'Wingate was the only officer in more than 130 years of service ever to criticise the performance of Gurkha soldiers,characterising them as mentally unsuited for their role as Chindits.Of course,the same might be said of Wingate'.

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Gibbo » 10 May 2009 15:10

the picture I have just been looking at , there is a man holding a beer and taking a swigg from the bottle .
My father died when i was a child of ten in a accident not during the war he came home in a bad way i was told by my uncle who is no longer with us either that my dad was a chindits he came from liverpool in england .and that man looks like my dad when he was younger as I have a picture of him looking like that .does any one know if i am right because i am very sure its him .thank you

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Timewatch. » 19 Dec 2010 13:13

Peter H wrote:An Australian who served with the Chindits,Flight-Lieutenant Alex Roberts.

http://www.peterthompson.net/Pacific_Alex_Roberts3.jpg

Roberts served in the Battle of Britain with 452 Squadron.Later shot down over France,captured,but managed to escape to Spain..told afterwards "I couldn't fly over France any more,because if I were shot down,I might be recognised and tortured to reveal details about the French underground.."

Served with Calvert as an Air Ground Liason officer calling in Mustang strikes at Moguang.
Hi Peter, I'm really interested in learning more about Roberts, and wonder if there are any other sources regarding him?
It's quite a role these fellows played.

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Peter H » 20 Dec 2010 09:14

Jim

Photo of Roberts here,AWM SUK15118.
Group portrait of pilots of No. 452 (Spitfire) Squadron RAAF at RAF Station Kirton-in-Lindsey, the first fighter squadron of which the flying personnel (with the exception of two flight commanders) are entirely Australian. It became operational in May 1941....
402007 Flt Lt Alex Roberts sixth in from right.Next right,next to him, is Robert Bungey http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2&t=165954
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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Timewatch. » 20 Dec 2010 23:40

Very interesting Peter and thanks. I wonder if he's in any of the accounts extant and I'll hope to find some more about him and what he did with the Chindits (beyond the nominal duties) and in terms of his experiences. Any suggestions would be great. Also on the look out for other fellows who were RAF posted with the Chindit columns and accounts of them.

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Re: Chindits-"in the guts of the enemy"

Post by Peter H » 21 Dec 2010 10:36

Jim

Peter Thompson's Pacific Fury mentions Roberts' service with the Chindits.I haven't got Thompson's book handy but I assume Thompson lists his source material on Roberts' service in it.

RAF Liason mention here: http://www.farsettingsun.co.uk/About%20Us.htm
There was a contingent of RAF in each and every one of the columns, and in all of the battles, and marches of, the Chindit Expeditions. They were RAF Officers, drawn from the ranks of experienced pilots , with a radio section of RAF NCOs and Airmen to assist them.
There primary role was to co-ordinate the air supply, and recovery for the column. The supplies being anything from ammunition to new boots. There were also frequent medical evacuations, and even post calls!
The British Counter-insurgency expert in the 1960s,Robert Thompson,was known as Flight Lt "Bobbie" Thompson during his Chindit service ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gra ... r_Thompson ).

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Post by Timewatch. » 22 Dec 2010 21:38

Thanks Peter,
I'll look to get a copy of that book. Thompson is quite detailed in 'Make for the Hills' his autobiography. Hoping to find details from a number of sources. The link 'farsettingsun' is one I'd not seen before.

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Post by Peter H » 11 Jun 2011 10:27

From Forgotten Voices of Burma,IWM,Julian Thompson.
..Wavell,C-in-C India,inspects the Chindits before the first expedition.Nearest camera,Major Bernard Ferguson,commanding Number 5 Column,the badge on his hat has been obscured by the censor.Wingate is on the far right...
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