Fortress Penang

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Re: Fortress Penang

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Post by Peter H » 03 Jul 2011, 04:49

Colin Smith rather downplays Fortress Penang.

From Singapore Burning page 261:
In 1936,during Percival's first posting to Malaya,Penang had officially been declared a fortress,but in the years that followed the wish had never quite been fulfilled in fact.True,two batteries of 6-inch guns and searchlights now commanded the entrance to George Town's harbour,easily Malaya's best port.Yet these were its only fixed defences.There were virtually no anti-aircraft guns....

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Re: Fortress Penang

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Post by cstunts » 05 Jul 2011, 04:12

Hello,

Indeed, calling it a "fortress" did not make it one, anymore than calling a B-17 a "Flying Fortress" made the bomber one...In Japanese Monograph No. 29, there is a map showing the location of "Balikpapan Fortress"...Are we then to believe that there was anything worthy of the term at Balikpapan?


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Re: Fortress Penang

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Post by Fatboy Coxy » 27 Jul 2011, 21:37

cstunts wrote:Hello,

Indeed, calling it a "fortress" did not make it one, anymore than calling a B-17 a "Flying Fortress" made the bomber one...In Japanese Monograph No. 29, there is a map showing the location of "Balikpapan Fortress"...Are we then to believe that there was anything worthy of the term at Balikpapan?
Well its all relative really. The B-17 was like a Flying Fortress given its fire power compared to a Wellington.

I do think the term was applied to Penang more for public consumption rather than a military one, however the two 6 inch gun batteries would have been a deterrant to a lone warship attacking ships in the Georgetown roads, something that came a world war too late, re the SMS Emden.

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Post by Zaf1 » 15 Aug 2011, 22:54

A photo of a Mark 24 6-Inch BL Gun at Batu Maung Fort south of Penang Island from the book Retreat In The East by O.D. Gallagher. The 'jungle camouflage' was rather unique

It was destroyed by the British in 1941 and more photos and information here:
http://www.fortsiloso.com/batteries/penang/penang.htm
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Post by Fatboy Coxy » 24 Aug 2011, 20:37

Thanks for the photo Zaf. That description is a bit misleading though, these guns weren't to be used for beach defence, but to command the waters between the island and the mainland.
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Post by Zaf1 » 01 Oct 2011, 05:29

This map shows the location of the coastal gun batteries and their arc of fire on Penang island
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Post by The_Strategic_Digger » 02 Oct 2011, 08:25

Interesting map Zaf1. It would be nice if there was a larger version so the detail could be made out more clearly.

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Post by Zaf1 » 02 Oct 2011, 19:05

Hi The_Strategic_Digger

I have close up photos of it. It shows the type of guns, their range and gun's arc.

The letters CASL means Coastal Artillery Search Light
The letters DEL means Defensive Electric Light

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Fort Cornwallis in Georgetown
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Fort Batu Maung in the southernmost point. On this map it indicated that the plan was for three 6 in. guns but only 2 guns were installed
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Fort Auchry in the northernmost point. The guns here were not installed
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Post by Zaf1 » 02 Oct 2011, 19:14

The other is the searchlight battery at Tanjung Tokong or Tokong Point
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Re: Fortress Penang

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Post by cengitu » 03 Oct 2011, 05:53

On the map it show that British considered protection only for the ship entering the harbour on north and south entrance where some of the pillbox were located west of the island to repelled invaders which come from sea. No other batteries were installed on this western sector. If enemy managed to landed on this place, they can attack those batteries from the back which we can see how the guns at Singapore were useless to fire inland at Johor eventhough some of the gun could traversed 360 degres but many of the ammunitions were AP and could not give high damage to the enemy troops.

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Re: Fortress Penang

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Post by Markus Becker » 05 Oct 2011, 16:00

Peter H wrote:Colin Smith rather downplays Fortress Penang.

From Singapore Burning page 261:
In 1936,during Percival's first posting to Malaya,Penang had officially been declared a fortress,but in the years that followed the wish had never quite been fulfilled in fact.True,two batteries of 6-inch guns and searchlights now commanded the entrance to George Town's harbour,easily Malaya's best port.Yet these were its only fixed defences.There were virtually no anti-aircraft guns....

Peter Thompson says the same in "The Battle for Singapore". A fortress in name only, even more so than 'Fortress Singapore'.

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Post by Zaf1 » 04 Nov 2011, 17:24

Some of the bunkers visited on a recent trip at Batu Maung

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Inside an observation post bunker without overhead cover
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Re: Fortress Penang

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Post by The_Strategic_Digger » 05 Nov 2011, 11:28

Great work as always. Do you have any photos of Butterworth in WWII era?

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Post by Zaf1 » 06 Nov 2011, 07:37

Thanks. I have a photo from the Japanese board that shows a Japanese photo of a Malayan airfield under attack. When we did research our historian Shaharom Ahmad found that from google map it is the Butterworth airfield. This is the combined photos.

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Re: Fortress Penang

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Post by The_Strategic_Digger » 06 Nov 2011, 10:06

Excellent!

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