Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by Delta Tank » 13 Jun 2016 21:03

steverodgers801 wrote:I wonder if Halsey had been relieved of command for the two losses of ships from typhoon if Spruance would have been rotated back in command early
When were the typhoons and relived when, I don't have the typhoon dates memorized.

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by Delta Tank » 14 Jun 2016 15:27

Clifford13
clifford13 wrote:You needed planes
A] Over Leyte
B] over 7 fleet
C] Over tg 30.8's tankers
D] hitting Ozawa
E] Hitting Kurita....

'nuff said.
7th Fleet had 18 escort carriers and they provide the close support mission to the Army and they also flew CAP for 7th Fleet. If he had too many missions, why did he not state so? AFAIK Halsey never stated he had too many missions and if he did why did he send 40% of his air assets out of the battle area at the beginning of the campaign? And do you have a source on his mission to protect the Fleet Trains? Did they not have some assets for defense? And was not there primary defensive plan was to not be too close to the battle area?

I think there is more to be said.

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by OpanaPointer » 14 Jun 2016 15:30

Were the TAFFYs part of Halsey's assets?
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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by steverodgers801 » 15 Jun 2016 02:27

Part of the blame goes to Nimitz, who gave Halsey the authority to go after the carriers if given the chance. the Japanese plan was tailor made for Halsey's super aggressive nature, especially since he failed to understand that the Japanese air arm was shot and not worth the bother. the division of authority was also at fault since Halsey assumed that 7th fleet still had the approaches covered and didn't consider the expenditure of ammo. Mac was afraid of 7th fleet being borrowed and never returned to his control which is why he didn't want direct communication between the fleets

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Jun 2016 02:29

"blame" confuses me. The Japanese Navy got their butts handed to them with relatively little loss to USN. Being a career Navy man I don't take the loss of life on our side lightly, but as a historian I'd say that the events proved to be the end of the IJN as a coherent fighting force.
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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by clifford13 » 15 Jun 2016 16:27

Source: Order of battle, Leyte Gulf. [Osprey books]. The TO & E charts, lay it out plain as day. Unfortunately, this forum is not allowing me to plug in pics. catch me on facebook and I'm ready to share scans...40 years of collecting..

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Post by OpanaPointer » 15 Jun 2016 16:33

clifford13 wrote:Source: Order of battle, Leyte Gulf. [Osprey books]. The TO & E charts, lay it out plain as day. Unfortunately, this forum is not allowing me to plug in pics. catch me on facebook and I'm ready to share scans...40 years of collecting..
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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by clifford13 » 15 Jun 2016 16:47

SERIOUSLY ?
18 carriers 8 battleships 65+ cruisers and destroyers just ran out of gas...YOU gonna volunteer to get out on the ocean and push ????

Bear in mind, this was the pre-nuke power navy, loose your oil, you go no-where...
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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by clifford13 » 15 Jun 2016 16:53

Scanner does not work with this POS notebook I'm using....it's a seriously difficult switching back and forth between my good PC which allows scans..and which NEVER connects to the internet for security reasons...and my Google commo...thing. Bear with me.

35 mm. did not get a decent pic of the charts, "File too large" [ 'FTL' notice]

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by clifford13 » 15 Jun 2016 16:56

"A tanks engine is as much a weapon as it's cannon.."
I believe Guiderian quoted something like that..don't recall the exact words..

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by clifford13 » 15 Jun 2016 16:59

Log-com reports has the 3 fleet, or portions of it refueling on the 19, 21 and 26 october, so they had to be close... [Logcom...Logistics Command]

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/BBBO/BBBO-22.html

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by clifford13 » 15 Jun 2016 17:17

Humm...it seemed to be Ok for Spruance to do an end run around the marianias, striking Iwo Jima in passing, in June to get at the Jap fleet,but it's NOT ok for halsey to try an end run around Luzon to trap the battleships in the Sibuian sea in October......
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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

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Re: Halsey at Leyte Gulf 1944

Post by clifford13 » 15 Jun 2016 17:34

Partial list of in home sources..
Pg 15, Osprey series book on leyte gulf...
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