Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

Discussions on WW2 in the Pacific and the Sino-Japanese War.
ChristopherPerrien
Member
Posts: 7054
Joined: 26 Dec 2002, 01:58
Location: Mississippi

#31

Post by ChristopherPerrien » 26 Dec 2007, 06:22

Barry Graham wrote:
I'm actually quite supprised that the Japanese did not use Kamakazie Parachutists
A kamakazi with a parachute!!!
:lol:

Sherman tank with a kickstand!, Boomerang hand grenade!, Submarine with a screen door!, Rubber sledge-hammer!, low-yield H-bomb!, landmine with a safety! left-handed screw driver! Tits on a boar-hog! Kamikaze with a parachute!

Congradulations Graham you have made THE LIST with that one!

:lol:

Regards,
Chris

5 years ! I have been here too long!

sjchan
Member
Posts: 386
Joined: 10 Mar 2007, 17:44
Location: Hong Kong

#32

Post by sjchan » 01 Jan 2008, 15:46

The Nationalist Chinese army actually had an American trained parachute regiment. The regiment, which was organized into twenty assault teams, managed to carry out three minor airborne assaults on the Japanese (including an attack on a small Japanese airfield in Southern China) during July 1945 just before the end of the war.

See http://www.mgjs.com/01wenzhang/02junshi/sanbing.htm


Carl Schwamberger
Host - Allied sections
Posts: 10069
Joined: 02 Sep 2006, 21:31
Location: USA

#33

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 07 Jan 2008, 13:47

The US Marines deployed a parachute battalion to the Pacific. It made a conventional seabourne landing on Tulagi island in August 1942. Later it was broken up to replace losses in another USMC regiment.

User avatar
Natter
Member
Posts: 1298
Joined: 19 Feb 2007, 22:43
Location: Bergen, Norway

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#34

Post by Natter » 07 Jun 2015, 00:34

Does anyone know (or have an idea of a source for research) what kind of U.S. planes were used in the PTO airborne operations? In particular, I would likee to know if the Lockheed C-69 Constellation may have been used for dropping paratroops (that even goes for ETO, but as far as I know, the only C-69's that were delivered by the end of the war were used in the Pacific (?)).

ROLAND1369
Member
Posts: 1404
Joined: 26 May 2007, 16:22
Location: USA

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#35

Post by ROLAND1369 » 08 Jun 2015, 05:49

I would say that the answer is a firm no. The only drops in the Pacific I know of used c 47s. The Europeon theater used C 47s and C 46s late in the war. As a us regular army and Special Forces Jumpmaster I have seen no manual showing the rigging of a C 69 or C 121 to be used for Paratroop drops in 33 years of dropping troops.

User avatar
Natter
Member
Posts: 1298
Joined: 19 Feb 2007, 22:43
Location: Bergen, Norway

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#36

Post by Natter » 08 Jun 2015, 23:22

Thanks for the reply.
ROLAND1369 wrote:I would say that the answer is a firm no.
That was my initial info as well, but the reason for asking is the attached painting: One should suspect that it was inspired from some real event? The national insignia on the planes is very specific and was only in use from july to august 1943 though, and at that time the C-69 would barely have reach operational status.
Attachments
C69.jpg

Orwell1984
Member
Posts: 578
Joined: 18 Jun 2011, 19:42

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#37

Post by Orwell1984 » 08 Jun 2015, 23:54

This image is part of an ad campaign for Coca Cola consisting of a series of trading cards on "America's Fighting Airplanes".
So its connection to reality is tenuous to say the least.

Whole series viewable here:
http://www.skytamer.com/F213-5.html

User avatar
Natter
Member
Posts: 1298
Joined: 19 Feb 2007, 22:43
Location: Bergen, Norway

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#38

Post by Natter » 09 Jun 2015, 00:13

Orwell1984 wrote:This image is part of an ad campaign for Coca Cola consisting of a series of trading cards on "America's Fighting Airplanes".
So its connection to reality is tenuous to say the least.

Whole series viewable here:
http://www.skytamer.com/F213-5.html
Thanks :thumbsup:

steverodgers801
Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: 13 Aug 2011, 19:02

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#39

Post by steverodgers801 » 13 Jun 2015, 16:54

Japan had two air operations, they dropped troops at Palembang, which were defeated and they landed some troops on Tinian or Saipan and did a suicide attack that destroyed some planes

Mil-tech Bard
Member
Posts: 678
Joined: 06 Jan 2010, 16:50

Re:

#40

Post by Mil-tech Bard » 25 Jun 2015, 19:12

Anzac wrote:Quite right, the Australians did have a parachute battalion(1st Australian Paracute Battalion) which could of rescued the POW's at Sandakan Camp. They were going to parachute into Sandakan and the surrounding area, but General Douglas Macarthur cancelled the operation. If the operation hadn't been cancelled, then the prisoners at Sandakan wouldn't of been marched to their deaths. With the result that only 6 of them having survived after escaping......
Source - Victory - 1945 - War & Peace by Alan Fitzgerald ( Australian War Memorial Magazine)....not their magazine that is titled "Wartime"
#RP#
Umm...No.

See:

History Friday — MacArthur: A General Made for Another Convenient Lie.
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/37267.html

In the run up to, and immediately after the Leyte Invasion, MacArthur’s theater G-2 intelligence officer General Willoughby split up the turf of the various intelligence units under the SWPA Allied Intelligence Bureau (See my previous column: MacArthur’s SWPA Intelligence ) into regional commands. This placed the Special Operations Australia (SOA) directly under General Sir Thomas Blamey as Commander-in-Chief of the Australian Military Forces (AMF), based at Allied Land Headquarters in Melbourne. The “Services Reconnaissance Department” (SRD) was the cover name for Special Operations Australia (SOA) after it moved out of the Allied Intelligence Bureau (AIB). During this period two major things happened that affected Project Kingfisher. First, the SRD discovered a massive failure of it’s Timor operation where it found out the Japanese had fooled the SRD into sending them supplies for years. And also condemned 32 SRD operatives who were immediately captured, tortured for code information to maintain the Japanese deception and executed.

Second, the first draft plan for the First Australian Parachute Battalion “Project Kingfisher” operation reached SWPA General headquarters and was summarily rejected for having a “Market Garden Problem.” The drop zone for the 1st Para was too far away from airfield and the POW camp. The concept of operations looks to have been to para-drop a Burma Chindit style flying column to march across Borneo with SPD/Native support to free the prisoners. With a US Army Airborne Division and an independent Parachute Regiment in theater, MacArthur’s SWPA staff paid a great deal of attention to both parachute operations in other theaters as well as the air resupplied Chindits. To the point of requesting and receiving one of the “Air Commando” Fighter/Bomber/Transport groups — identical to the ones that supported the Chindits in Burma — to support guerrilla operations in the Philippines. MacArthur’s SWPA headquarters staff was well equipped to evaluate issues with the feasibility of the proposed operation, and there were major issues.

Operational feasibility issues like how starved and beaten POW were supposed to get away after being freed by the flying column? This was unclear at the time of the plan’s rejection, as MacArthur’s Far Eastern Air Forces had so heavily cratered the airfield the POW’s built that it was out of operation by January 1945 and sea lift from Northern Borneo was impossible at the time given that the Japanese had started Kamikaze operations only four months before at Leyte.

At this point the Project Kingfisher plan went into a low priority limbo of paper shuffling, distrust of the SPD by Blamey, and a lack of focused SPD reconnaissance until cancellation in March 1945.

In January 1945, Japanese Sandakan camp commandant Captain Hoshijima Susumu, noting the bombed out airfield and fearing a rescue attempt, marched the first several hundred POW away from Sandakan, most died on the trip or at the destination of Ranau. At the time of the second death march in May 1945, ordered by Susumu’s replacement Capt Takakuwa, to avoid the recapture of the POW’s by the Australian Oboe plan invasion of Northern Borneo, the remaining survivor from the 1st death march numbered six. Of those POW that reached the camp, none survived to August 1945. Six Australians managed to hide in the jungle and get help from natives whom the Japanese also abused.

The article at the link above gave the following as sources --
Notes and Sources:

Internet links (accessed 7-22-2013) —

KINGFISHER: SRD bungle or American reluctance?
http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j37/borneo.asp

Stolen Years — Australian Prisoners of War
http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/stole ... /sandakan/

Australian prisoners of war: Second World War – Prisoners of the Japanese, Borneo (Sandakan)
http://www.awm.gov.au/research/infoshee ... borneo.asp

Sandakan and Project Kingfisher,
Address at The Australian Golf Club, Sydney for their War Memorial and War Service Day 28th August 2008 Dr Kevin Smith OAM
http://blog.sandakandeathmarch.com.au/2 ... isher.html

Operation Kinggisher II
http://www.far-eastern-heroes.org.uk/jo ... sher_2.htm

History of the 3rd Air Commando Group
http://www.specialoperations.net/3rdACGHistory.htm

History of the US Marine Corps in World War II, Isolation of Rabaul, Part VI Conclusion
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/II ... .html#cn23

Thomas C. Kinkaid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_C._ ... st_Pacific

Books —

Air Commando Fighters of World War II by Bill Young, @ January 2000

Superfortress: The Story of the B-29 and American Air Power by Curtis E. LeMay, Bill Yenne @ 1989

We Shall Return!: MacArthur’s Commanders and the Defeat of Japan, 1942-1945 William M. Leary (Editor), University Press of Kentucky, @ November 19, 2004


User avatar
fredleander
Member
Posts: 2175
Joined: 03 Dec 2004, 21:49
Location: Stockholm
Contact:

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#41

Post by fredleander » 21 Jul 2015, 17:47

steverodgers801 wrote:Japan had two air operations, they dropped troops at Palembang, which were defeated and they landed some troops on Tinian or Saipan and did a suicide attack that destroyed some planes
From where do you have the funny idea that the Japanese Paras were defeated at Palembang?

There were also two successful Japanese para missions near Menado, Celebes and Koepang, Timor in early 1942.

Fred
River Wide, Ocean Deep - a book about Operation Sealion:
https://www.fredleander.com
Saving MacArthur - an eight-book series on the Pacific War:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D3 ... rw_dp_labf

steverodgers801
Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: 13 Aug 2011, 19:02

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#42

Post by steverodgers801 » 22 Jul 2015, 03:17

here is a slightly different version of what I had read once. I understood the objective was to capture the oil refineries, which did not succeed. here the objective achieved basic success, and the objective was to prevent the demolition which according to this author was semi successful. Palembang, Sumatra Island, 14 February 1942

The combined operational success on the peninsula of Celebes Island led to the brigade-size army airborne force being dropped on Sumatra island, over Palembang. This task was assigned to the Japanese Army 1st Parachute Force, and in particular the Parachute raiding Regiment, a four company formation of 425 soldiers, under the command of Colonel Sei-ichi Kume. The Palembang operation consisted of the 2nd Paratroop Regiment, other sources call it the 2nd Raiding Regiment, either way, this was the second outfit ready for the parachute operations. The 1st Raiding Regiment remained at Haikow Field on Hainan Island. The first wave consisted of about 270 paratroopers under command of Major Niihara, originating from the captured airfield at Kahang in occupied Malaya, dropped above Palembang, and P1 the airfield, an hour and a half after dawn on 14 February 1942. Airlifted in 34 Ki-57s from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Chutais, under the overall air command of Major H. Shinbara, plus seven more Ki-56 carrying supplies to be dropped. This airborne force was protected by elements of the heavy bomber 98th Sentai, with escorts from the 59th and 64th Sentais. British Hurricane fighter aircraft were unable to intercept the aerial armada, due to the lack of range for communications, as the RAF were escorting the bombers on a raid against the Japanese seaborne invasion fleet. Japanese air transport losses were slight and the descended parachutists upon landing attempted to rush the objective but were repulsed. The Japanese Army stormtroopers then set up a roadblock with overturned vehicles to stop mobile enemy reinforcements and infiltrated towards the aerodrome defenders, close infantry combat became the order of action. Another paradrop landing took place at Pladjoe, two hours later, 60 men in 12 Ki-57 from the Malayan occupied Kluang airfield, were dropped at 0930hrs from 600feet on a line several miles west of P1 near the refineries, under the command of Lt. Hirose Nobutaka. These stormtroopers, detailed to secure the oil refineries, had come down in a swamp and were hard pressed to achieve their objective on the first day. Another small jump by 30 men from six Ki-56 under Colonel Sei-ichi Kume commander of the Parachute Brigade, landing southwest of P1 airfield.

Japanese casualties were heavy, upward to 80% of those dropped. They did succeed in capturing Pladjoe, but were hard pressed to control and secure the other objectives. The next day, 15 February, around noon, was the last jump of 94 Japanese Army parachutists over P1. This small parachute unit was under the command of Lt. Ryo Morisawa and was flown in nineteen air transports. The allied losses sustained in the close infantry fighting, and rumours of further paradrops by enemy stormtroopers, coupled with general disorganisation opposing the enemy airborne assault led to an allied general withdraw. When the last echelon of Japanese paratroopers descended, reinforcing the remnants of those on the ground, the allied rearguard defenders were finally driven off. That afternoon the reinforced IJ Army airborne unit marched into Palembang town, as the scratch amphibious relief force, elements of the 229th Regiment, 38th Division, moving up the Musi river, using the water course for a highway, linked with the forward paratroopers. Again the main objective was the airfield, as well as the secondary and diversionary objective, the very precious oil refineries at Sungeigelong and Uyodiraff near Palembang. Only this time the airborne mission began two days prior to the amphibious phase of the operation, that was delayed by an abortive allied fleet action, threatening the seaborne invasion transports Which were also attacked mercilessly by the allied airforces in Buntok Strait. The Japanese paid a heavy price in troop laden landing barges for not locating the secret airfield P2. Yet military surprise multiplied the outnumbered Japanese paratroopers enabling them to neutralise the P1 airfield and disrupt demolition of the refineries. Although battle damaged and with isolated fighting still going on, their objectives had been reached by nightfall. The combat depleted Army paratroopers held for longer than the required 24 hours and returned to their base after two weeks of operations
http://dutcheastindies.webs.com/japan_paratroop.html

User avatar
fredleander
Member
Posts: 2175
Joined: 03 Dec 2004, 21:49
Location: Stockholm
Contact:

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#43

Post by fredleander » 22 Jul 2015, 06:30

steverodgers801 wrote:here is a slightly different version of what I had read once. I understood the objective was to capture the oil refineries, which did not succeed. here the objective achieved basic success, and the objective was to prevent the demolition which according to this author was semi successful. Palembang, Sumatra Island, 14 February 1942
Well, that is quite different from the Japanese Paras being "defeated" at Palembang. Just my opinion.

Fred
River Wide, Ocean Deep - a book about Operation Sealion:
https://www.fredleander.com
Saving MacArthur - an eight-book series on the Pacific War:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D3 ... rw_dp_labf

steverodgers801
Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: 13 Aug 2011, 19:02

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#44

Post by steverodgers801 » 24 Jul 2015, 22:07

What I had read once was they intended to seize the refineries and were not successful

gambadier
Member
Posts: 221
Joined: 23 Aug 2007, 15:11
Location: AsiaPac

Re: Airborne Operations in the Pacific War

#45

Post by gambadier » 27 Jul 2015, 12:08

Chindits landed by glider,

Post Reply

Return to “WW2 in the Pacific & Asia”