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Post by Michael Emrys » 17 Apr 2006 05:18

My source (William Green, War Planes of the Second World War FIGHTERS, Vol. IV) calls it the Consolidated-Vultee XP-81. Consolidated Vultee Aircraft is, I believe, what the company was called during the war. However, I'm not picky and I would have accepted either Virgil's or Davide's answer. Since Virgil provided an acceptable answer first, he gets to ask the next question.

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RE William Green's book

Post by Virgil Hiltz » 17 Apr 2006 13:26

Mr Green's books were written in the 1960's after the Consolidated -Vultee label was considered the company name( 1954) . It would have been standard protocol to call it a Consolidated product in 1960 . During the war it was carried on the rollls, by the US Air Force as a Vultee product, and it had been retired to museum status before the Consolidated name had been attached to the label. My source is the Army Air Force Historical Section. 1946.

You wouldn't call a B-17,

a North American - McDonnell Douglas - Boeing B-17 would you?

I don't know how to upload a photo so I defer to the next person who has a question to ask.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 17 Apr 2006 14:11

Dear Virgil!

Just push "Add an Attachment" button, find the name of your file with the picture from your hard drive/portable drive and push "Add Attachment" button. That is all.

If you want to add the picture from the web - click two times on "Img" button and place the web-addres of your image between the symbols .

As you defer your question to another person during posting your image - I would like to ask a very simple question to get a very fast answer and your question then, Virgil! :wink:

What is this tank?
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Post by The Edge » 17 Apr 2006 14:43

A38 "Valiant"?

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Post by BIGpanzer » 17 Apr 2006 14:50

Yes, of course - last British infantry tank A38 Valiant, based on the Valentine chassis. The single prototype was built in 1944 and didn't go into production because of the end of WWII and obsolete design/specifications. The major changes from the Valentine were a larger turret that could take the OQF 75mm gun, as used on the Churchill and Cromwell, and thicker armour.

Specifications: 27 t; 4 men; 5.4x2.8x2.1 m; up to 114 mm armor; 57mm QF 6 pdr + 2x7.92mm Besa MG; 210 hp; 12 km/h :); 80 km :).

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Post by The Edge » 17 Apr 2006 20:32

It was easy... 8-) (this time) :roll:

Since lot of you folks like floating tnings, one related question:

Name this plane, in service of RAF (photo from take-of at Abukuir, 28/01/1942) and its origins.
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Post by Davide Pastore » 17 Apr 2006 20:46

The Edge wrote:in service of RAF (photo from take-of at Abukuir, 28/01/1942)


The markings don't seem RAF ones.

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Post by The Edge » 17 Apr 2006 21:09

Strictly speaking, not REGULAR markings, but RAF anyway. :D

Look at top view - same type, but another plane (No308), in colour 3view plan :idea: :wink:
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Post by BIGpanzer » 17 Apr 2006 22:37

Could it be ex-French hydroplane - for example, by Latecoere?

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Post by varjag » 17 Apr 2006 22:51

It is a Dornier 22 formerly of the Royal Jugoslav AF.....Varjag

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Post by BIGpanzer » 17 Apr 2006 23:38

Yes, for sure, varjag!
I thought at first about Allied sea-planes :lol:, including some Yugoslav Rogazarski, despite the fact that plane was very similar to Do 22.

Yugoslavian Do 22 torpedo bombers were moved to Egypt in April 1941, Yugoslavia had 12 Do 22W.
http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan// ... s/77_2.jpg

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Post by varjag » 18 Apr 2006 00:45

BIGpanzer wrote:Yes, for sure, varjag!
I thought at first about Allied sea-planes :lol:, including some Yugoslav Rogazarski, despite the fact that plane was very similar to Do 22.

Yugoslavian Do 22 torpedo bombers were moved to Egypt in April 1941, Yugoslavia had 12 Do 22W.
http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan// ... s/77_2.jpg


Juha must have been asleep :) - the FAF had four of them as well

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Post by The Edge » 18 Apr 2006 08:20

Sorry for late arrival – problems with connection last night.

Varjag is right – this is Yugoslav Do-22Kj plane.

Do-22K hydroplane evolved from Do-22 C3 prototype, developed by Swiss branch of Dornier. Yugoslavia bought 12 planes in 1937 (its designation Do-H, Dornier’s Do-22Kj), for 1,242,000 RM (but without engines and armament - purchased separately). Delivered from September 1938 to the start of 1939. Engines were HS12Y-21 (910 HP), armament 3 x FN-made Browning M.36 (7,9 mm) – one firing through propeller hub, one for observer on dorsal, one in ventral position for radio-operator. Bomb load: 300 kg max (no torpedoes, sorry! :wink: ) Max. speed was 355 km/h at 4000m. Range: 1200 km (6 hours of flying).
(Greece also purchased 12 pcs. Leetonia ordered 4, later diverted to Finland – maybe Finns also got some of ex-Greek/Yugoslav ones?)
Two Yugoslav Royal Navy Air Squadrons operated this plane: 20th & 25th. During 1941. German-Italian aggression these planes made only 28 combat missions (35 flights in total, 52.5 flying hours) – one plane attacked two Italian destroyers on anchor near Brindisi at 9th April, the same day another attacked Italian convoy en route for Albanian coast, and three planes participated in night attack on Italian naval base in Durazzo. Crews carried bombs on each combat flight, even pure observation ones.
Both squadrons, joined together as single unit in Orahovac Naval Air Base, refused to surrender and flee Yugoslavia at 16th April 1941. (Only example of organized retreat to Allied side of whole RYAF unit – maybe from all occupied Europe too). 9 planes went to Egypt via Greece, but one of planes (No 304) returned to base because of bad weather. Eight planes, assembled in Alexandria at April 22nd, were: 302, 306, 307, 308, 309, 311, 312 and 313, plus one Rogozarski SIM-XIVH twin-engined plane (No 157) from another unit, which joined them in Greece.
British wanted to take planes for their own use, Yugoslav Government in Exile accepted that, but crews again opposed official orders, so RAF command decided to incorporate this unit in their own ranks (crews made plans to fly to USSR in some other case - they already started changes on planes to enlarge fuel capacity!) as “Yugoslav Squadron”, cooperating with 230th Squadron RAF, from Alexandria Naval Air Base (later Abuquir). From May 1941 to April 1942 they made 723 combat missions (1670 hours) – 455 maritime patrols, 17 fleet cooperation, 194 ASW and 57 searches for enemy ships. Total was 916 flights (1740 hours), crews were active in 352 of total 372 days. Two planes crashed, three more were heavy damaged in accidents (two fliers killed, two invalided out).
Last flight was at 22nd April 1942, when Squadron was disbanded because of lack of spare parts. Most of squadron pilots later joined 351st & 352nd RAF/Yugoslav squadrons.

(All info & illustrations from Yugoslav “FRONT” magazine, author Franjo Lolic, issue from early 80s – see how paper turned yellow!)
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Post by varjag » 18 Apr 2006 09:17

Let's try another aeroplane (& see how many minutes that 'survives')...which.../Varjag
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