Help me

[kamilkaze]

I'm very happy if you can tell me what you wrote. I can not read the handwriting.

[Hohlladung]

Hi,
It says:
Zwei Karten, die mit mir zusammen im Wasser waren. Gruß Remmer (?)
Translation: Two cards, which were in the water together with me. Greetings Remmer (?)
Not sure what kind of cards are meant, postcards or maps?
Best Regards
Armin

[Waleed Y. Majeed]

I think it might very well be a postcard. Here's a link to a similar card and french text. It also has the same circle+M.J.C. bottom left corner. Why it says something like "Writing on front is not accepted..." I do not know. https://www.doaks.org/research/library- ... -du-serail
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[kamilkaze]

Thank you for your answers. I uploaded new pictures. I look forward to your comments and translations. Thank you again.

[Hohlladung]

Hi,

That's the Hagia Sophia and written on it the word Atatürk.
I suppose it was not allowed to write on the front page in those days, otherwise it was not accepted as a postcard anymore, just a guess.

Best Regards Armin

[Max]

I'll bet Remmer was really annoyed when Ataturk scrawled his signature on the front , thus voiding it as postcard.

[kamilkaze]

Thank you for your answers. Do you really imitate the signature? Does the post on the back give us evidence of this? I look forward to your valuable ideas.

[Waleed Y. Majeed]

Who knows who signed it? Maybe it was done by Hagop Vahram Çerçiyan
The handwriting does not mention the signature.
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[kamilkaze]

Thank you for your kind reply. You made a fine joke. How can we know whether this signature is real or not. I look forward to your valuable ideas.

[kamilkaze]

I uploaded more detailed pictures. Can I ask you to look again. Could you read the text again. I'm very happy if you can help me.

[Max]

Who knows who signed it? Maybe it was done by Hagop Vahram Çerçiyan
The handwriting does not mention the signature.
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Thanks Waleed
What a great story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagop_Vah ... %C3%A7iyan

Could the signature be a stamp?

Max

[Waleed Y. Majeed]

Yes max, a rather funny story I doubt it is a stamp. Seems to have too many similarites with handwriting compared to a stamp. A stamp would have a more uniform distribution of ink. Even when not applying the same pressure to the whole stamp you would not get this sort of handwritten style. Could be printed but again I doubt it.
Also, why would he sign a card (based on the knowledge of signature - 1934-1938) clearly showing men wearing the fez some 10 years after the turkish "hat law of 1925". Makes little sense. If signed before Remmer went into the water, why no damage to the ink. And if after why ask the head of state to sign a stained and damaged postcard unless it has something to do with a significant occasion. Was Remmer a survivor from a sinking of some sort? Did Atatürk push him into the water? Just guessing. Maybe knowing who this "Remmer" was would help
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[kamilkaze]

I did a little research on Remmer. But I could not find any information. Could it be writing differently? Could you look at the article again. Could you give me a clue as to whether this signature is correct or not? I'm very happy if you help.

[Max]

http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com.au/2012/ ... ature.html

Ataturk Signature.jpg (247.92 KiB) Viewed 6460 times

The brown signature is from the post card
Underneath ,in black, is an example from Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sign ... 3%BCrk.svg

I agree with Waleed -It is very unlikely that Ataturk would sign such a document.

[Waleed Y. Majeed]

Great work Max! Should have thought of that myself. Let's see what Kamilkaze says.
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