sütterlin and WW I military information

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Re: sütterlin and WW I military information

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Post by yan2947 » 28 Dec 2017, 22:21

Roman, Julius was a cattle merchant in Herborn, Germany. Julius was a Viehhandler (with 2 dots above the a in German). That is a cattle dealer in translation according to my father, Laurence (Lothar). (He must have somehow looked that up)

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Post by history1 » 29 Dec 2017, 10:40

Correct, it´s obviously the "Vorzeigegeld" from the letter. I gave you the source already yesterday in the shortened link. BTW, Majdanek is in the east of Poland.
Thanks, Yan (still I don´t know if feminin or masculin?), for the update of the profession of Julius S..
I left school decades ago but there is no need to translate German into English or vice versa, spare your energy ;-)
If you´re in possession of files in Polish (eg. from the Majdanek memorial) I can help too as I`m fluent in this language.


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Post by history1 » 29 Dec 2017, 11:59

Some news (click to enlarge the files!):
Entry of the birth register for Max Siesel:
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The Siesel family and it´s lodger Adolf/Adolph MEYER in the Bronx, NY, 1940:
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Source: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Sixteenth Census of the United States, 1940. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1940. T627, 4,643 rolls.

Max Siesel´s draft card (aged 48 years then!):
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Source: United States, Selective Service System. Selective Service Registration Cards, World War II: Fourth Registration. Records of the Selective Service System, Record Group Number 147. National Archives and Records Administration.
And maybe the most interesting find: Max Siesel traveling with wife Rosa, son Manfred and m-i-l Karoline Stern on board of the SS Washington from Nov. 2nd to Nov 10th from Hamburg to New York:
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Re: sütterlin and WW I military information

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Post by yan2947 » 29 Dec 2017, 12:44

Thank you for all the help. We are getting info on our family that we never had before. I am one of two sons of Laurence Salomon. My father was a professor of African History. Some of his life's work can be seen at:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... ZVV7yL8w7U

What is the first document that you posted?

Yan

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Post by history1 » 29 Dec 2017, 15:48

Hello Yan,

the first file from today is the birth entry for Max Siesel from the Altenstadt municipal office.
I´ll transcribe the text for you (and Hiltraut is most welcome to complete the text):
Nr. 21
Altenstadt, am 31. Juli 1894
Vor dem unterzeichneten Standesbeamten erschien heute, der
Persönlichkeit nach bekannt,
der Handelsmann Meier Siesel
wohnhaft zu Altenstadt,
israelitischer Religion, und zeigte an, daß von der
Karoline Siesel, geborene ........,
seiner Ehefrau
israelitischer Religion,
wohnhaft bei ihm
zu Altenstadt in seiner Wohnung
am achtundzwanzigsten Juli des Jahres
tausendachthundertneunzigundvier vormittags
um zwölfeinhalb Uhr ein Kind männlichen
Geschlechts geboren worden sei, welches den Vornamen
Max
erhalten habe.

Vorgelesen, genehmigt und unterschrieben:
Meier Siesel

Der Standesbeamte:
Wagner
Die Übereinstimmung mit dem Hauptregister beglaubigt
Altenstadt am 31. Juli 1894
Der Standesbeamte
Wagner
But two years earlier a daughter was born:
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Re: sütterlin and WW I military information

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Post by history1 » 29 Dec 2017, 16:06

Just a note: Here in my area it´s very common not only to call relatives by blood eg. uncle or ount but also neighbours or other familiar persons. So it was common to call the wartime comrade of my grandfather (who was already deceased then) uncle Martin and his wife aunt Fanny.
I only mention this because of the two aunts in your letter, though I´m not sure if this custom is used elsewhere too.

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Post by nichte » 29 Dec 2017, 17:15

Roman, I would read the name as "Hindheimer", although the letter "H" seems a bit distorted.
Karoline Siesel, geborene ........,

I include a clipping for Betty Wertheim. I am not sure where to put her; could it be a sister of Max?
Source:
http://www.kirchhain.de/media/custom/28 ... 1501709791

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Post by history1 » 29 Dec 2017, 18:09

I bet you´re right with "Hindheimer", Hiltraut. Yes, she surely is a sister of Max. The text in your screenshot reads that she had three siblings.
1.Hedwig, born 1892
2. Max (born 1894),
3. Now you found Betty.
4. Only one unknown (until now) brother/sister left.

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Post by history1 » 29 Dec 2017, 18:51

Look what I found about the Siesel children:
The unknown Julius Siesel, born in 1891 and died in Auschwitz in 1942:
https://www.geni.com/people/Hedwig-Edel ... 2683889513
And onother unknown brother, Fritz, born in 1895:
https://www.geni.com/people/Fritz-Siese ... 1629062911
Betty, born 1902, and murdered likely in Sobibor:
https://www.geni.com/people/Betty-Siese ... 1360686103
While Hedwig perished in Treblinka accoring the information there:
https://www.geni.com/people/Hedwig-Edel ... 2683889513
But what a suprise, there is still a new family member: Arthur, born 1899
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Post by history1 » 29 Dec 2017, 18:57

It seems the information that Betty had three siblings is totally wrong.
Here is another son of Meier and Karoline Siesel, William:
altenstadt_2_1884-1892-00282.jpg
And then I found the Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007 for Helene Siesel, married "Frank", parents Meier Siesel and Karoline Lindheimer. She was born on Oct. 22nd, 1907 and died in Feb. 1980.

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Post by yan2947 » 30 Dec 2017, 00:25

Roman, do you have any information on my Great Grandfather, Sally Salomon, born 11/29/1868 and passed away in Herborn on 03/23/1939. He was mentioned in the letter as being in bed and ill.

thanks for the great info! I do not have a ton of information on the Siesels but I am trying to get info from my cousins (Rose Siesel's son and his kids).

Sincerely,

Yan

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Post by nichte » 30 Dec 2017, 01:50

Yan, below is the grave of your Great Grandfather, Sally Salomon. I don't know if you already have the photo.
Source:
http://www.alemannia-judaica.de/herborn_friedhof.htm
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Post by yan2947 » 30 Dec 2017, 02:04

We were there a few years ago. I didn't know it was online also. Is there anything on Sally's parents? We don't know our history before Sally? You are amazing at your research! Both of you! Just Incredible!

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Post by yan2947 » 02 Jan 2018, 14:15

Thank you all for your help and want to wish everyone a Happy New Year. I received a few new letters from my cousin just now. Not sure if anyone has time to take a look at these...
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Re: sütterlin and WW I military information

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Post by yan2947 » 02 Jan 2018, 14:16

Here appears to be second letter
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