German military term translation

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German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 07 May 2021 19:49

Hi, can anyone help with a translation of the German military term "Do-Geräten"?

The context is:
Nicht gerechnet sind die schweren Verluste, die der Feind durch Volltreffer von Flak, Pak und Do-Geräten in seine Landungsboote und in seine Ausladungen im Hafen von Porto Venere erlitt
All help greatly appreciated.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by jwsleser » 07 May 2021 20:33

Tom

I am sure a native speaker will chime in with something better. I read it as 'do it yourself' or 'home-made' devices. In this case, I assume landing obstacles and the like.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by Hohlladung » 07 May 2021 20:53

Tom,

It's a collective term for rocket launchers:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerwerfer

The name refers to General Dornberger Do-Gerät:

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Dornberger

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Re: German military term translation

Post by jwsleser » 07 May 2021 21:01

Ahh, thanks! I knew someone would have something better.
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Re: German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 08 May 2021 08:42

Jeff, Armin,

Thanks - that's really interesting and useful. Now I just need to find out what sort of rocket launchers they were talking about.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 13 Dec 2021 20:53

Hi,

I'd be grateful if anyone could help with another passage from 26 Panzer Division's KTB for 11 Sep 43 which is confusing my humble attempts to translate.
Kampfgruppe von Usedom setzt, infolge verspäteten Eintreffens des Div. Befehles, erst jetzt verst. 1./Pz.Gr.Rgt.9 zur Ablösung des Fallsch.Jg.Rgt.4 nach Doria in Marsch.
I'm thinking that it means something like:

"KG von Usedom, owing to the late arrival of the Division's orders, now [at 11.40] sets first the reinforced 1 Koy./Pz.Gr.Rgt.9 on the march to the area Doria to relieve Fallsch.Jg.Rgt.4."

That would make sense as the next sentence describes the rest of the I Battalion moving out to the area northwest of Lauria to rejoin Pz.Gr.Rgt.9.

Grateful for confirmation or corrections.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by wwilson » 14 Dec 2021 08:26

@Tom from Cornwall

Think your translation is essentially correct, but I would translate "erst jetzt" as "only now" and remove the "first" from your text.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 14 Dec 2021 08:37

Thanks, that makes more sense.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 14 Dec 2021 20:53

And another query:
Beide Divisionen werden von anderen Divisionen demnächst abgelöst und stehen für den Einsatz im Osten zur Verfügung.
I make that (with a little help from GoogleTranslate!):
Both divisions will soon be replaced by other divisions and will be available for employment in the East.
Not sure about the use of "demnächst" for "soon" - why not use "bald"?

Also not sure about "abgelöst" meaning "replaced/relieved" - is that a derivative of "ablösung"?

Any help as always gratefully recieved.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by wwilson » 15 Dec 2021 10:49

"demnächst" can also mean "shortly", which works (IMO) a bit better in the sentence.

"ablösen" can mean "to supersede [or replace] sb/sth [by/with sb/sth]"

Above definitions taken from de.pons.com

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Re: German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 15 Dec 2021 17:23

Hi,

Thanks for both translation and the pointer towards the de.pons.com site. Really useful.

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Re: German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 26 Dec 2021 18:25

Apologies, but I'd be grateful for another clarification of my attempted translation (again from 26 Panzer Division but moved forward now to 12 September 1943 when it got to the end of its withdrawal from Calabria and was assembling ready to be committed to the battle at Salerno:
Die Betr.Stofflage war gegen Ende des Rückzuges so angespannt, daẞ Sprengung der Selbstfahrlafetten der I./Pz.A.R.93 vom Korps bereits befohlen war und die der Masse der Kfz. der Division vorgesehen werden muẞte
I'm confused by the last section but initially make it something like this:
The fuel situation was so tense towards the end of the retreat, that Corps already ordered that the self-propelled guns of I./A.R.93 should be blown up and that the bulk of the motor vehicles of the division had to be provided.
Is that last bit saying that the bulk of the vehicles are to be provided to the Division or that the bulk of the division's vehicles are to be provided to Corps?

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Re: German military term translation

Post by G, Y? » 28 Dec 2021 05:44

This is in what I think is Frankfort type. Can someone convert it to New Times Roman and then english?
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Re: German military term translation

Post by DirkAH » 28 Dec 2021 11:26

Tom from Cornwall wrote:
26 Dec 2021 18:25
Apologies, but I'd be grateful for another clarification of my attempted translation (again from 26 Panzer Division but moved forward now to 12 September 1943 when it got to the end of its withdrawal from Calabria and was assembling ready to be committed to the battle at Salerno:
Die Betr.Stofflage war gegen Ende des Rückzuges so angespannt, daẞ Sprengung der Selbstfahrlafetten der I./Pz.A.R.93 vom Korps bereits befohlen war und die der Masse der Kfz. der Division vorgesehen werden muẞte
I'm confused by the last section but initially make it something like this:
The fuel situation was so tense towards the end of the retreat, that Corps already ordered that the self-propelled guns of I./A.R.93 should be blown up and that the bulk of the motor vehicles of the division had to be provided.
Is that last bit saying that the bulk of the vehicles are to be provided to the Division or that the bulk of the division's vehicles are to be provided to Corps?

All advice gratefully received.

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Tom
I think "die" referes to the "Sprengung" and therefore means that the demolition of the SPGs had already been ordered and that the demolition of the other motorized vehicles of the division had to be scheduled/or the order to do so expected. But it's a horrible sentence. I doubt that any German teacher would have accepted it without some remarks. :lol:
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Re: German military term translation

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 28 Dec 2021 13:59

DirkAH wrote:
28 Dec 2021 11:26
But it's a horrible sentence. I doubt that any German teacher would have accepted it without some remarks.
Hi,

Thank you very much for the response and for making me feel better about my translating struggle! I think I'm going to go with:
The fuel situation was so tense towards the end of the retreat, that Corps already ordered that the self-propelled guns of I./A.R.93 should be blown up and it was expected that the bulk of the motor vehicles of the division would also have to be destroyed.
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