7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

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7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby spottedcow » 16 Jul 2017 23:47

Sorry, I have little information on this topic. I am (attempting) to research two men who served in the 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" [7. SS Volunteer Mountain Division Prinz Eugen]. Both men died in battle on 4 October 1944, probably in Serbia or Croatia. Does anyone know what battle this might have been? I am not even sure if the men were serving in Prinz Eugen on this date, but if a possible battle were identified it could begin to confirm they were with the unit at that time. The individuals involved are Oskar Hering and Albert Plate.

Any clues, tips, suggestions welcome.

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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby G. Trifkovic » 17 Jul 2017 00:37

Hi spottedcow,

at that time, the 7th SS was heavily engaged against the Red Army, the Bulgarian Army, and the Yugoslav Partisans across Eastern and Southern Serbia, flashpoints being the towns of Zaječar and Vlasotince; its losses on 4 October were 3 KIA, 15 MIA, and 7 WIA, but on the next day 54 KIA, 193 MIA, and 23 MIA (the latter apparently belonged to the army). Without more information on the unit these men belonged to, it's hard to say much more.

Source: NARA/T-314/851/1252, 1246-1248, Corps FW Mueller/34th Army Corps, 7th SS MD Daily reports for 4 and 5.10.1944.

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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby spottedcow » 17 Jul 2017 00:52

Thank you for the quick reply.
I can add that the two men were transferred to SS-Feldgendarmerie-Trupp 7 (part of Prinz Eugen) the year before (They were part of Hans Bothmann's Chelmno Sonderkommando). I do not know if the two were still a part of this unit at the time. A history of SS-Feldgendarmerie-Trupp 7 would be extremely helpful.

Thanks again.

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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby WAR LORD » 17 Jul 2017 10:25

I am also looking for information on Waffen SS-Oberscharführer Fred Olesch - Group

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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby G. Trifkovic » 17 Jul 2017 11:52

Hi spottedcow,

I made a cursory overview of the relevant German documents, and found only that the 7th SS' Feldgendarmerie Trupp was a part of a mixed battle group sent from Niš on 5 October with the task of blowing up the Timok bridge at Vratarnica (some 10 km south of Zaječar), which had fallen into enemy hands the day before. The group ran into heavy resistance (according to the Germans one reinforced Bulgarian battalion), and had to cancel the mission.

Sources: the same NARA roll as above, frames 001232 and 1139, reports of 5 and 6.10.1944; see also Otto Kumm, Vorwärts Prinz Eugen! Die Geschichte der 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Division “Prinz Eugen” (Dresden: Winkelried Verlag, 2007), p. 287.

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G.

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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby spottedcow » 17 Jul 2017 23:23

Thanks for the additional information - it is useful and a start. If they died on 4 October, it seems the unit was in Niš at the time. Was there fighting there on that day?

Does anyone know a source for unit documents (history, order of battle, etc) on SS-Feldgendarmerie-Trupp 7?

Thank you again Mr. Trifkovic - your efforts are much appreciated.
Patrick

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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby Peter » 18 Jul 2017 10:08

VDK has this for Hering

Nachname: Hering
Vorname: Oskar Friedrich Wilhelm
Dienstgrad: SS-Oberscharführer
Geburtsdatum: 25.07.1903
Geburtsort: Augustfehn
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 04.10.1944
Todes-/Vermisstenort: bei Vratanica/Serbien

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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby spottedcow » 18 Jul 2017 18:34

Thank you, Peter.

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Postby G. Trifkovic » 21 Jul 2017 12:00

Hi Patrick,

I did some additional checking, and found a message dispatched by the 7th SS on the morning of 5 October ( NARA/T-314/851/1256) according to which the FG was, in fact, a part of the mixed security detail at the bridge, rather than a part of the relief force. The message was seemingly garbled in the process of compiling of the above quoted report (frame 1232). I attach both documents for comparison.

Concerning the history of the SS-Feldgendarmerie-Trupp 7, there is a theoretical chance that Military Archives in Belgrade have a post-war statement or two made by the former members of this unit; I know for a fact that such statements exist for supply, medical, and administration units of the division. It should be said, however, that the FG was often lumped together with the SD, GFP, Abwehr, etc. under the term "Gestapo", which made its personnel particularly liable for immediate execution.

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G.
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Re: 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" on 4 October 1944?

Postby spottedcow » 23 Jul 2017 04:24

Gaj

Thanks for the information, documents and source. This is fantastic! I really appreciate your posts.

Patrick


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