SS-Hstuf. Hans-Jörg Hartmann

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SS-Hstuf. Hans-Jörg Hartmann

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Post by von thoma » 20 Apr 2018, 22:57

An interesting Bio record of SS-Hauptsturmführer Hans-Jörg Hartmann, on this place:

http://www.germanhelmetsinc.com/hartmann.htm
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Post by Charles Trang » 21 Apr 2018, 10:42

Superb album and thanks to the owner for sharing.
Just a few remarks on the captions : as the photos in Ukraine were taken in 1941, the tanks do not belong to the Wiking division but to a Heer unit. The commander of III./Nordland was SS-Stubaf. Plöw, not Blöw. In the picture Nr.69 showing Felix Steiner, Herbert-Otto Gille is standing on the right.


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Post by BramvanS » 21 Apr 2018, 15:54

Thanks for sharing. Beautiful photographs.

Another note: The airplane is not a Feisler Storch, but a Fieseler Storch.

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Post by Mannheim » 22 Apr 2018, 04:34

"At right, a Municipal building flies the Government service flag..." The building is the Borsig Palais, part of the New Reich Chancellery, on the corner of Voss and Wilhelmstrasse.
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Post by Charles Trang » 22 Apr 2018, 12:02

Rare photos showing Helmut Müller who will lead SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt.9 "Germania" during the last stages of the war.

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Post by bogo » 22 Apr 2018, 21:40

Hello Charles,
Very interesting pictures indeed.
However, please note that the respective pictures of Müller do not show Helmut Müller but Günther Müller, at that time CO of 9./SS-Nordland. He was killed October 4, 1942 while serving as CO of 5./SS-Nordland.
Even more interesting is the picture of Hans J. Schröter (born March 10, 1915), killed as CO of 11./SS-Nordland October 2, 1941. The career of Hans Schröter is a mystery ( at least to me). He has no SSO- nor RS-file. Further more, I could not find any record confirming his doings before taking over the lead of 9./SS-Nordland in 1941 and assume that he came from the police to Wiking somewhere after June 1, 1941.
Maybe someone can tell us more about him.
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Dikeman

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Post by bogo » 24 Apr 2018, 15:45

Correction of my 22 April 2018, 21.40 post:
"Hans J. Schröter taking over the lead of 9./SS-Nordland in 1941" should (of course) read "Hans J. Schröter taking over 11./SS-Nordland in 1941"
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Post by Charles Trang » 25 Apr 2018, 16:37

Ooops, I did not take notice of the unit. Do you know if Günther and Helmut Müller were brothers because they really have the same face ?

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Post by bogo » 25 Apr 2018, 20:37

Günther Müller was born (1917) in Stuttgart, Helmut Müller (1914) in Kiel. Brothers? I don't think so. However, the possibility that they had the same parents and these parents moved from Kiel to Stuttgart after Helmut and before Günther were born, technically can't be ruled out.
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