SS Pilots?

[Andrey]

Hi,
A nice picture of Hans Baur (at right). I suppose the photo was taken in occasion when Hitler visited Finland on Mannerheim´s birthday in June 1942, because the photo belongs to Finnish Army (SA kuva). Who are the other two SS officers?xxxxx.pngSource: Histomil.com

Hello,
Left to right: SS-Hstuf. Paul Leciejwski and SS-Hstuf. Max Zintl.

Andrey.

[Georges JEROME]

excellent Andrey


this early post complete infos

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[Arto O]

Thanks a lot Andrey and Georges for the information.
with best regards
Arto

[Edward L. Hsiao]

I know that SS pilots flew Fieseler Fi-156P Storks that were armed with bombs and machines guns during WWII.

Edward L. Hsiao

[Edward L. Hsiao]

"Sturmbannfuhrer Fegelein, as the Regimental Commander has flown more than 60 enemy missions with the Fieseler Storch that had been provided by the Division during Operation "Seydlitz." The precise recon data gathered during these enemy missions could be immediately evaluated and was of the greatest importance for the overall course of the operation. On these enemy missions, during which the Storch frequently came under enemy fire, SS-Sturmbannführer Fegelein not only performed reconnaissance tasks, but operated the machine gun as well. Fegelein laid machine gun down on and threw bombs at targets in the swamps that were in range and inaccessible for ground troops. During these actions, Sturmbannfuhrer Fegelein landed close to our own troops on July 1,1943, quickly gathered a platoon and with it attacked the enemy who attempted to escape from the swamps. Through this, losses could be inflicted on the partisans."
This information came from page 165 of "German Cross in Gold,Holders of the SS and Police Volume 4" by Mark C. Yerger. Part of the recommendation for the German Cross in Gold for Waldemar Fegelein. He commanded the 1st Squadron of SS-Kavallerie Regiment 2. Yes there were pilots in the Waffen-SS.

Sincerely,


Edward L. Hsiao

[eindhoven]

Edward,

You are absolutely confusing flying as a passenger and flying as a pilot. Flown, as in passenger. I personally have flown all over the world in my life but have only flown a plane twice. The above citation states that Waldemar Fegelein has flown 60 reconnaissance missions to gather recon data on enemy disposition. It DOES NOT state he piloted a Fieseler Storch on 60 separate occasions while also simultaneously shooting a machine gun and dropping bombs!! Although that would be in keeping with the hegemony in SS high award citations. Its non-academic this need of yours to connect dots that aren't there. Wünsche also was not piloting those Storch when he was on reconnaissance missions. He was an observer marking locations on a map as any good commander would be not playing some superman which is where I think this fantasy is going.

Hitler's pilots discussed in this thread were just that. They weren't flying for Totenkopf on the Eastern Front or LSSAH for that matter. Most shown in this thread are overaged former WW1 pilots.


Eindhoven

[eindhoven]

The precise recon data gathered during these enemy missions could be immediately evaluated and was of the greatest importance for the overall course of the operation.

Because Fegelein was marking enemy troop concentrations and fortifications as well as terrain on a map not flying a plane. His purpose was to aerial reconnaissance not logging flight hours.

On these enemy missions, during which the Storch frequently came under enemy fire, SS-Sturmbannführer Fegelein not only performed reconnaissance tasks, but operated the machine gun as well. Fegelein laid machine gun down on and threw bombs at targets in the swamps that were in range and inaccessible for ground troops.

He was free to fire a machine gun and drop bombs because he was not flying the plane.

Yes there were pilots in the Waffen-SS.

Yes, just not in the sense you need to fit your claim

I know that from past topics of this forum,some Waffen-SS divisions had their own Fi 156 Störche [Storks] of their own and their trained pilots of their own.

Nichts Nein Frankenstein

[Edward L. Hsiao]

All right,I will admit that Waldemar Fegelein was only acting as a observer since he had to operate the machine gun to fire on enemy troops below. He threw bombs at targets below. What kind of bombs? Who was Fegelein's pilot? Was he from the Luftwaffe or the Waffen-SS? Probably Waffen-SS. Although Flieger Gruppe z.b.V. 7 had mostly had young pilots from the Luftwaffe, a few young pilots and young observers also came from the SS.

Edward L. Hsiao

[smetanin albert]

from SSO Bosch
source - viewtopic.php?f=48&t=221164&p=2251964#p2251964

[Georg_S]

Here is a photo of mentioned SS-Staf. Dr. Heinz Kurz (b.1894) and he was also holder of the Blutorden.

//Georg

[Georges JEROME]

Hello Albert,

May be
Dr. Heinz Kurz
19.9.1894
SS 29 623
Pg 267 449
WW I won EK II and I Lt d. R.
took part in the Munich Putsch of november 1923 (Bund Oberland).
9.11.32 SS-Ustuf.
20.4.1933 SS-Hstuf.
1935 Führer bei der 1 SS-Motorstandarte 1
1936 Führer bei der Stammabteilung Bezirk 1
1937 Führer beim SS-Hauptamt
1938 Führer beim Stab SS-Hauptamt
1939 Führer beim SS-Personalhauptamt
1943 Führer beim Persönlichen Stab RFSS
Blutorden # 164
KVK II and I
Honour Cross 1914 1918,
SA Sportabzeichen in Bronze and
Reich Sport Badge in Gold

30.01.1937 SS-Sturmbannführer
30.01.1938 SS-Obersturmbannführer
30.01.1939 SS-Standartenführer

[Andrey]

Here is a photo of mentioned SS-Staf. Dr. Heinz Kurz (b.1894) and he was also holder of the Blutorden.

//Georg

Hi, Georg, I think it`s same man..

Andrey.

[Georg_S]

Yes, you are right

Best regards
Georg

[Ruslan M]

Hi,

This is not the same person. The officer in Vienna is Fritz Ebenböck.

Best wishes,
Ruslan

[Andrey]

Hi,

This is not the same person. The officer in Vienna is Fritz Ebenböck.

Best wishes,
Ruslan

Ruslan,

I'm not at all sure about this...
Does anyone have a photo of him from the his SSO?

Andrey.