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Post by coburg22 » 07 Jan 2008 22:18

Hi,

Thanks Georges for the book suggestion and to Mark for the correction concerning Schwagermann. I have only seen his name mentioned in a book or two but was unsure of his unit status.

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James

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Post by Halfdan S. » 21 Jan 2008 12:22

Just found this pic of Göring in Russia 1942 - the person behind him is thought to be his RSD-guard (pic in C.G. Sweeting: Hitler's personal pilot, 2000, p. 208).
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Post by coburg22 » 21 Jan 2008 18:34

Hello Halfdan,

Nice photo of Göring. It was taken before his July 1940 promotion to Reichsmarschall as he is still wearing his GFM insignia. It would be nice if we could put a name to the face of the SS escort (RSD).

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James

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Post by JoeW » 21 Jan 2008 18:49

It is not Paul Heinecke who was his bodyguard.

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Post by wolfguy » 23 Jan 2008 10:42

SS Oberscharfuhrer Rochus Misch said that SS General Hermann Fegelein was shot in Hitler's Chancellery by an RSD man, but he will not give his name.

It would be interesting, for the historical record to know the identity of this RSD man.

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Post by panzertruppe2001 » 31 Mar 2008 00:06

Hello people, I am reading "The Last Days of Hitler" by H.R. Trevor Roper and in the last part of the book there is a Note on sources. There are mentioned three men, Hermann Karnau, Erich Mansfeld and Hilco Poppen as members of the RSD.

These are the details

* Karnau, Hermann: Revieroberwachtmeister. Guard in Reichsicherheitdienst, Dienststelle 1, on duty in the Bunker. Left the Bunker on 1st May. Saw the burning of Hitler´s and Eva Braun´s bodies.

A question What is a Revieroberwachtmeister?

* Mansfeld (alias Skrzipczyk), Erich: SS Hauptscharführer. Guard in RSD Dienstelle 1, on duty in the Bunker, Witnessed burning of Hitler´s and Eva Braun´s bodies. Left the Bunker on 1st May.

* Poppen Hilco: Guard in RSD Dienstelle 1, on duty in the Bunker. Left on 1st May.

And about Schwaegermann,

*Schwaegermann, Guenther August Wilhelm: SS Hauptsturmführer. Adjutant of Goebbels. Was in the Bunker 22nd April till 1st May. Burnt bodies of Goebbels and his wife and children.

Are you agree with these information?

Thanks in advance,


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Post by JoeW » 01 Apr 2008 18:09

Revieroberwachtmeister was an NCO rank in the Schutzpolizei d. Reiches. The SHAEF book equated the rank to a Precinct M/Sgt. I have no reason to doubt the persons mentioned by Trevor-Roper. Those men listed are not all SS member though.

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Post by mty » 16 Dec 2009 15:42

Coburg22:

Are you only concentrating on RSD solely or do you also take into account its technical predecessors in its duty: the detectives of Berlin Polizeipräsidium /Dept. IA and other pre-1935 police formations?

Another question: did members of Polizeiabteilung Wecke/LPG General Göring also carry out official protection duties in 1933-1934? I remember having read a referral to that but unfortunately the source for that escapes my mind at the moment.

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Post by TVGLOTZER » 10 Feb 2010 12:51

This is a unique document regarding Aloïs Oppelt nomination 27 March 1945.(my collection)
Found in the bunker ruins.

Signed by RK and Himmler.Note the signature's degradation of AH in the last days...
By the way,what happened to this officer?Just curious...
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 10 Feb 2010 14:44

I can't imagine AH and HH signing this document knowing he (Alois Oppelt) has comparatively a very low rank.
The document is toooo good to be true !
It's a fake !!

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Post by TVGLOTZER » 10 Feb 2010 17:11

This is not a fake.It has been found in the bunker's mess.The signatures are truly authentic.The rank has nothing to do with it.AH signed a lot of nominations ,even school directors ones,and a lot of pictures,before the rock stars period....the signatures are fountain pen made.Sometimes they used printed signatures(fac similes)but those are hand made.I have also a lot of pictures taken by soldiers around this period,plans,books with AH ex libris,some of his stationery,etc.Same origin.You could be surprised by the historical treasures found in Berlin in May 45.

All those documents have been seen by specialists.They are absolutely genuine.

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Post by TVGLOTZER » 10 Feb 2010 17:41

This is a signed pic:fountain pen/1942.Given to me by the person who asked for this signature.As he signed a LOT of pictures,they are relatively easy to come across.Notice the difference of size with the other one.Just for comparison.
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Post by JoeW » 12 Feb 2010 18:27

Dieter, although the promotion was for a very low rank, AH was very involved in his RSD details and according to Hoffmann had to approve all appointees. So if I would expect him to sign such promotions. The date is very late. Himmler at this time was were? In the west or running back and forth from Hohenlychen to Birkenwald?

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Post by coburg22 » 13 Feb 2010 18:27

Hello Mty,

Sorry for the delay in answering your question. My main focus is just the RSD and SS-Begleitkommando. I know of Polizei Abt. Wecke and LPG Göring but I think their protective duties may have been in Prussia and for Göring's security and disposal as he saw fit until they were incorporated into the Ground Forces of the Luftwaffe. It's been a while since I have read it, but you might want to check out "Fallschirmpanzerkorps Hermann Göring" by Bender which gives a detailed history and is now available through Schiffer Pub.

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James

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Post by TVGLOTZER » 16 Feb 2010 09:21

Himmler was still in Berlin in March 45,and not yet destituted.I assume this promotion was not the only one,other officers of the same rank have been promoted as well,as a rewarding for their good and loyal services ,I guess.Other documents of this kind are certainly in existence,if they have not been destroyed.

For your info ,I received a box full of documents,papers,plans,books, collected in Berlin /May 45 by an officer.When he passed away ,his son gave them to me,being absolutely indifferent to this kind of memorabilia.He had the idea to incinerate them!!

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