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Re: SS-Aufklärungsabteilung LAH...

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 04 May 2014 03:38

Danke Harro, yes, Volksbund is my source along with what I have gathered over the years---that's why I always conferred with you to see if the match up is right or not, I rarely rely on Volksbund for the final rank on date of death, as they many a times put the wrong rank, such as Uscha. instead of Ustuf or simply have Heer ranks.

I found all of the soldiers in Volksbund that died July 1943 except for Konrad Barkofski

I found a
Heinz Ludwig Wurzer

B:12.8.24 Frankfurt am Main
KIA 12.7.43 Nordwestl. Teterewino
PzGr. 3./SS-PAA.1 7.43

There is no Ernst Wurzer on 7.43

I suspect that Volksbund got his name first mixed up with Hans Ludwig Fritzsch and listed Heinz Ludwig instead of Ernst. But that's just my speculation.

ALso

Hans Fritsch he is listed as

Hans Ludwig Fritzsch
B:24.8.25 Jeinsch
KIA 12.7.43 Nordwestl. Teterewino
PzGr. 3./SS-PAA.1 7.43

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Post by Harro » 04 May 2014 07:30

In this case the clerk from the AA LAH miswrote the name of SS-Rottenführer Konrad Barkowski, listed by the Voksbund as born in Heidekrug on 20.06.1918 and KIA near Kalinina near Belgorod on 06.07.1943 and listed in various earlier lists from the AA LAH as Barkowski.

BTW, "Heidekrug" as place of birth is tricky. as far as I can see google and google maps only give hotels and Gasthöfen with that name, plus some Heidekrugstraßen, but no town, village or hamlet by that name.

I'll go through my files for more info on Wurzer.

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Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 04 May 2014 08:23

Yes thanks for SS-Rottenführer Konrad Barkowski, that's make sense now.

Also, can you verify this for me?

Hans Schlögel

B:24.2.21
WIA 10.7.43 Kursk
Uscha. 3./SS-PAA.1 7.43
Strm. LSSAH 2.41
SS:364553 Uscha:


Otto Fettin
B:29.1.20 Bochum
Uscha:1.7.43 3./SS-PAA.1
DOW 13.7.43 Feldlaz.mot.Charkow
WIA 8.7.43 Kursk
Rottf. 3./SS-PAA.1 7.43

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Post by Harro » 04 May 2014 10:40

There's nothing about Fettin or Schlögel in my files

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Rottf. Hans Winkenstern

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 31 Aug 2014 07:00

Harro, pls verify if this is correct.

Rottf. Hans Winkenstern

B:6.9.23 Alsfeld
DOW 14.1.44 Rela.I.Przemysl,Polen
Rottf. 3./SS-PAA.1 1.44
WIA 11.7.43 Teterowino
Strm. 3./SS-PAA.1 7.43

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Ustuf. Eugen Reichl

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 05 Oct 2014 12:27

Ustuf. Eugen Reichl

B:7.1.23
Ustuf. 3./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44
SOJ. 13.KJL,J.Sch.Braunschweig 8.44
SS: Ustuf:1.10.44

Source: Duel in the Mist 2 pg.219

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Fahrradzug,3./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 05 Oct 2014 12:36

4.(Fahrrad-bikes)zug, 3./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44 consist of 4 squads/sections

I. Uscha. Pries
II. Uscha. Lehmann
III. Uscha. Ostermann
IV. Uscha. Kodehus

Source: Duel in the Mist 2 pg.219

Harro, can you pls help with their first names and d.ob, danke

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Pion.Zug, Stb.Kp./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 05 Oct 2014 12:47

Pion.Zug, Stb.Kp./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44 which was formerly Pion.Zug, 4./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 till mid 11.44 consisted of 3 squads/sections

I. Uscha. Meyer
II. Uscha. Kragg
III. Uscha. Opitz
Zugtrupp. Uscha.Wolf

Source: Duel in the Mist 2 pg.219

Harro, can you pls help with their first names and d.ob, danke

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Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 18 Oct 2014 04:21

Ludwig Schachinger
B:16.1.24 Ottnang
KIA 8.12.43 Meschiritschka b.Kiew
PzGr. 1./SS-PAA.1 12.43

Dietrich Klaudius Heinrich Siegmann
B:29.9.24 Küstrin
KIA 22.11.43 Solowijewka b.Kiew
PzGr. 1./SS-PAA.1 11.43

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4./SS-SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 18 Oct 2014 12:16

4./SS-SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44

Ernst Kilat
Edgar Leithold
Casimir Liebersbach
Ernst Mahl
Richard Rosenke
Alfred Schairer
Franz Scziera
Heinz Tremmel
Max Zagler

Source: http://books.google.com.sg/books?id=8_3 ... AH&f=false

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Re: 4./SS-SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44

Post by Harro » 18 Oct 2014 13:56

Moniroth You-Bell wrote:4./SS-SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1 12.44
Nope, they were not, and Jens nowhere claims they were so I wonder what your source is.

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Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 18 Oct 2014 14:20

It's in german, they were mention as part of Goltz and Droge's men.

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Post by Harro » 18 Oct 2014 14:21

Moniroth You-Bell wrote:It's in german, they were mention as part of Goltz and Droge's men.
Yes, but where does it say they were 4./SS-Pz.Aufkl.Abt.1? Or perhaps you are guessing again

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Re: SS-Aufklärungsabteilung LAH...

Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 18 Oct 2014 14:29

I checked Droge and Goltz's command on 12.44.

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Post by Harro » 18 Oct 2014 14:30

Moniroth You-Bell wrote:I checked Droge and Goltz's command on 12.44.
Ah, and what did Dröge and Goltz command in December 1944 and where did you check this?

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