SS-Aufklärungsabteilung LAH...

[Harro]

Well, SS-Sturmmann Botho Peche (Globitschen, 24. August 1922) is listed in the Verlustliste of the 4. (Pz. Späh.-)/AA LAH for being wounded by artillery fire on July 6, 1943. He was moved to the Hauptverbandsplatz where he died the next day.

The website of the Volksbund shows that he is burried at the Charkow Sammelfriedhof, Ukraine. Endgrablage: Block 10, Reihe 15, Grab 1705.

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Ok thanks, I guess the SS-PGR. 2 documents must have lumped all the members of different units together. That one was from Pz.Gren. who had Nachr. qualification.

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Not much apart from the info John gives in his Führerliste. In the Kriegstagebuch of the AA LAH he's listed as Führerbewerber on April 12, 1943. Erfassungsgruppe 8 from the 3. (le. SPW.-)Kompanie:

SS-Rottenführer Ekkehardt Priess, die SS-Sturmmänner Wilhelm Wagner, Ludwig Sieber, Günter Richter, Siegfried Stiewe, Karl-Heinz Steinacker, Dieter Vogl und Botho Peche, die Schützen William Leuthold, Karl Streb, Joachim Neuber, Paul Steinhausen, Gerhard Meyer, Rudolf Schulze und Gerhard Bertz.

Perhaps he was listed as member of the AA LAH when he graduated but never actually returned to that unit? As far as I know from that group only Ludwig Sieber and Siegfried Stiewe returned to the AA LAH after the 13. Kriegs-Junker-Lehrganges Braunschweig. Botho Peche was KIA at Kursk and never made it to the Junkerschule.

Gerhard Meyer
B: 25.09.1922
SOJ. 13. KJL, J.Sch. Braunschweig 00.08.1944
SS-PzGr. 3./SS-PAA. 1 00.04.1943
SS-SJ: 05.05.1944
SS-SOJ: 21.06.1944
SS-Ustuf.: 01.10.1944

Ludwig Sieber
B: 04.09.1923
KIA 02.04.1945 Steinabruckl, Austria
SS-Ustuf. Chef, 2./SS-PAA. 1 00.04.1945
SS-SOJ. 13. KJL, J.Sch. Braunschweig 00.08.1944
SS-Sturmmann in 3./SS-PAA. 1 00.04.1943
SS-Nr.: 496.509
SS-SOJ: 21.06.1944
SS-Ustuf.: 01.10.1944

Günter Richter
B: 04.08.1922 Regensburg
SS-Rottf. 3./SS-PAA. 1 00.05.1945
SS-Sturmann 3./SS-PAA. 1 00.04.1943
EK II: 25.06.1944
EK I: 01.01.1945
WB: 14.02.1944
CCCS: 10.05.1944
PAB: 24.03.1943

Siegfried Stiewe
B: 13.01.1924 Damerkow, n. Jannekow
KIA 27.03.1945 Plattensee
SS-Ustuf. Adj., SS-PAA. 1 00.03.1945
SS-SOJ. 13. KJL, J.Sch. Braunschweig 00.08.1944
SS-Sturmmann 3./SS-PAA. 1 00.10.1943
SS-PzGr. 3./SS-PAA. 1 00.05.1942
SS-Nr.: 496.531
SS-Sturmmann: 01.01.1943
SS-SJ: 05.05.1944
SS-SOJ: 21.06.1944
SS-Ustuf.: 01.10.1944

William Leuthold
B: 13.08.1925

Joachim Neuber
B: 13.02.1925

Rudolf Schulze
B: 26.06.1925

Gerhard Bertz
B:25.02.24

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Harro, is this the same person ?

Karl Steinacker

B: 06.05.1924
SS-Uscha. 3./SS-PGR. 6 00.01.1945

[Harro]

No, he's not the same man...

Steinacker, Karl-Heinz
Geb.: 27.07.1924, Ybbs
Abiturient
Eintritt: 30.01.1942
12.04.1943, Führerbewerber (SS-Strm. 3./AA LAH)

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Thanks Harro

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Harro, is there a SS-Oscha. Reinhard König in the SS-PAA 1 circa June 1944?

[Harro]

There's nothing in my files about him and what strikes me as odd is that the document does not mention that the official name of the unit was the SS-Panzer-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 1 LSSAH at that time (already since October 22, 1943). This Besitzzeugnis should therefore read that König was in Stab/SS-Panz.Aufkl.Abt. 1 "LSSAH"

[Moniroth You-Bell]

God, I am so sick of those fakes documents! Thank Harro.

[Harro]

My pleasure. I'm allways surprised that these people go through so much trouble to forge documents yet do not manage to get some very basic facts straight.

[Moniroth You-Bell]

Harro, pls help with their date of birth.

The trial concerned the alleged shooting of civilians in Stavelot during the Ardennes Offensive. SS-Obersturmführer Goltz was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment.
The City was Liege in mid-1948

SS-Rottf. Kasimir Leibersbach (Lodersleben Schloss 1924)
SS-Schütze Ernst Mahl (Rossel 1925)
SS-Schütze Franz Scziera (Bottrop 1926)
SS-Schütze Alfred Schairer (Margrethausen 1926)
SS-Schütze Heinz Tremmel (Kaiserslautern 1927)
SS-Schütze Richard Rosenke (Leslau 1927)

[EugE]

Harro do you have info about composition of SS-AA LAH Stabskompanie on January 43?
As I know she include a Pionierzug, a Flak-Zug(what weapon she used Sfl or mot.?) and a motorcycle platoon, the Nachrichtenzug was armored with eight Funkpanzer (8- and 4-Rad).

Also schwere coy has anti tank zug of 3 Pak-38 or Pak-40, IG zug. During february 43 (defense of Kharkov) Kurt Meier's reconnaissance battalion had found the ten 7.5 cm Pak 40 guns and several (6) heavy infantry howitzers abandoned on a train in Malinovka and had appropriated them for their own use. G. M. Nipe Jr. "Last Victory" pg-87 - I suppose that this weapons were used to equipped the IG coy & Pz.Jg. coy when she was split into a 5. (Pz.Jg.-) Kompanie and a 6. (I.G.-) Kompanie???
5. (Pz.Jg.-) Kompanie don't used "Marder" - ? At September she has 5 Pak 40 и 4 Pak 38.

[Harro]

Harro do you have info about composition of SS-AA LAH Stabskompanie on January 43?
As I know she include a Pionierzug, a Flak-Zug(what weapon she used Sfl or mot.?) and a motorcycle platoon, the Nachrichtenzug was armored with eight Funkpanzer (8- and 4-Rad).

Also schwere coy has anti tank zug of 3 Pak-38 or Pak-40, IG zug. During february 43 (defense of Kharkov) Kurt Meier's reconnaissance battalion had found the ten 7.5 cm Pak 40 guns and several (6) heavy infantry howitzers abandoned on a train in Malinovka and had appropriated them for their own use. G. M. Nipe Jr. "Last Victory" pg-87 - I suppose that this weapons were used to equipped the IG coy & Pz.Jg. coy when she was split into a 5. (Pz.Jg.-) Kompanie and a 6. (I.G.-) Kompanie???
5. (Pz.Jgr.-) Kompanie don't used "Marder" - ? At September she has 5 Pak 40 и 4 Pak 38.

While I managed to reconstruct most of the Stellenbesetzung for Charkow and Kursk (including many many changes due to KIA, WIA, transfers between companies, transfers to the HJ division, etc.) the OoB is still mysterious. Have to admit that I haven't looked at it for quite some time (I was focused on Knittel himself lately). This means I have as many questions about the composition of the Stabskompanie and the schwere Kompanie in 1943 as you have.

A notebook from a veteran (who died years ago) indicates that the 5. (Pz.Jgr.-) Kompanie used Marders. Apparently one platoon and he dus not specify how many. The other three platoons had 7,5cm and 5cm PaK according to the same notebook, which indeed hints at (part of) the guns they found in Malinowka. Photos taken at Kursk suggest these were pulled by Demag 1t halftracks.

I'm trying to establish if the AA LAH received those Marders in 1942 already, which would mean the PaK-Zug in the schwere Kompanie was self propelled, and that this Marder-Zug became part of the Panzerjäger-Kompanie in April 1943. But I have yet to come across evidence for or against this suggestion.

No doubt Kursk took a heavy toll. The 6. (schw. IG.-) Kompanie had 6x Grille in June (three platoons with 2 Grille each), one schwere IG Zug (mot) and one leichte IG Zug (mot). In September it was down to just one Grille-equipped platoon, supposedly reorganized with three Grille, which suggests three were lost at Kursk. Also in September, none of the Marders is mentioned which suggests that all were lost at Kursk. As you already noted: 5x 7,5cm and 4x 5cm Pak is given for 5. (Pz.Jg.-) Kompanie in September. This brings me to another mystery: the delivery of 5cm Pak auf Demag to the AA LAH. Photos show they had them during the 1943/44 winter battles in the Ukraine but I don't know when they were delivered. probably in Italy but no definite info so could be earlier.

Regarding the Flak-Zug, I haven't found anything about its composition but I suppose they were 2cm guns (not heavier) because the platoon was disbanded in 1944 and its crews were transfered to 1./AA LAH to become gunners in Sd.Kfz. 250/9 (which the company never recieved but had, offcourse, 2cm guns).

You're right about the Nachrichtenzug. 4x 4-Rad, 4x 8-Rad.

[EugE]

Regarding to the Marders:
Armored vehicles on hand 30.6.1943:
Marder II (7,62) = 1
Marder III (7,5) = 20 and 4 in delivery.

Acording report Qu. II SS-Pz.K from 28.7.43 LSSAH loss as Totalausfälle for period 5-18.7.43:
3 Pak Sfl (Marder III (7,62)) = 1 [Losses = 0] Marder III (7,5) = 21 [Losses = 3]) - 1 of them need repair in Germany.

Armored vehicles on hand 30.7.1943:
Grille 15 cm sIG (Sfl.) = 12 [Losses = 0].

During end of 1942 LSSAH has recieved 27 Marder III for PzJgAbt. Before it was equipped by 9 Marder IIs with the 7.62 cm gun [SdKfz 132]. These were issued April or May 1942.

Regarding to the FlakZug:
Lehmann wrote - 25. 4. 1942 Sennelager. Aufstellung eines 2 cm FlaZuges Sfl.

[Harro]

Thanks! Perhaps someone can combine this info with the KstN that were used for the Panzerjäger-Abteilung, etc. because I don't know much about their composition. That way we can establish if Marders were left over for the SS-AA LAH and, if so, how many.

The discepancy between the organisation of 6. (Pz.Jg.-)/SS-AA LAH with only one Grille-equipped platoon in September 1943 - and the availablity of the full number of 12 Grille in the division is also something we should look into.