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Wirth and Herring

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Post by Eddy Marz » 02 Apr 2007, 19:20

A bad picture, but it's them alright : Christian Wirth (left) & Gottlieb Herring, apparently in Lublin, circa 1942 (pic gets better if you reduce it)
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Post by Max Williams » 03 Apr 2007, 09:41

Here's a better copy of the same photo.
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Post by Eddy Marz » 03 Apr 2007, 10:24

Great. Thank you Max. By the way, Wirth is wearing Stubaf uniform, that would be december 42 at the earliest but more likely 43 ? What do you think ?
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Post by Max Williams » 03 Apr 2007, 10:57

Most probably early 1943.
Here is another photo of Wirth. I don't know the other two.
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Post by Eddy Marz » 03 Apr 2007, 11:48

Max, thanks again for the picture. I have this one as well but of much poorer quality. From what I gather, the Untersturmführer on the right would be a certain 'Lassman' (can't seem to find him anywhere though, and it can't be Erich Lachmann who was just a Scharführer in Sobibor. Any clues about a Lassman ?
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Post by Eddy Marz » 03 Apr 2007, 11:59

Apparently, the officer on the left is Johann Schwarzenbacher. Any details on him ?
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Post by Eddy Marz » 03 Apr 2007, 13:28

Or maybe the officer on the left is Johann Gottfried Schwarz, Untersturmfuhrer, SS Number – 37 768, service in Sobibor (sounds more like it), but then who is Lassman ?

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Post by Peter » 05 Apr 2007, 18:02

Nachname: Schwarzenbacher
Vorname: Johann
Dienstgrad: Obersturmführer
Geburtsdatum: 03.01.1909
Geburtsort:
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 02.06.1944
Todes-/Vermisstenort:

Johann Schwarzenbacher ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Costermano (Italien) .
Endgrablage: Block 15 Grab 711
He moved from Lublin to Trieste with the AR team and was killed by partisans.

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Post by George_W » 05 Apr 2007, 21:23

Johann Schwarzenbacher
SS nr 171669 (joined on 15.11.1932)
NSDAP nr 1930269 (joined 01.05.1933)
SS-Ustuf/31.01.1942
SS-Ostuf/30.01.1944
He was born in Munich.

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Post by Mikedc » 05 Apr 2007, 23:59

Johann ‘Franz’ Schwarzenbacher.
Born on 3-1-1909 in München.
On 15-11-1932 he joined the SS(nr. 171.669).
On 1-5-1933 he became a member of the NSDAP(nr. 1.930.269).
He started his career as an SS-Unteroffizier and he was stationed within the Staff of the
SSPF in Lublin.
In 1941 he served as a Kompaniekommandeur in the SS-camp at Trawniki.
On 31-1-1942 he was promoted to SS-Untersturmführer.
At that time he was also appointed as commander from the 1st Guard Battalion in Trawniki.
On 19-4-1943 he went with this unit to Warschau and stayed there till 19-6-1943.
In the summer of 1943 he was also commander from the SS-Labor Camp Poniatowa(Poland).
On 9-11-1943 he received the EK I(for his excellent services within Operation Reinhard). At the end of 1943/beginning of 1944 he moved with O. Globocnik to the
SSPF ‘Adriatischen Küstenland’.
On 30-1-1944 he was promoted to SS-Obersturmführer.
At this new post he also served as commander from a Guard Battalion.
He also became commander from an SS-trainingschool in Trieste and in Görz for
SS-men from the SS-Wachmannschaften(Ukranians, Italians, Croats and Slovenen).
He maybe als got promoted to SS-Hauptsturmführer.
On 2-6-1944 he and 10 men of his unit were on the way to Trieste and at a certain point they drove into an ambush from Italian partisans. He got wounded on both his legs and he got several shots in the head(most likely a classical case from partisans who were finishing of a wounded target).
Died(KIA)on 2-6-1944 near Trieste(Italy).



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Post by Mark V. » 06 Apr 2007, 11:49

Schwarzenbacher was killed when his motorized column got ambushed by the partisans of the Slovene Southern Coastland Detachment on the road between Senozece [Senosecchia] and Storje [Storie].

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Post by Eddy Marz » 06 Apr 2007, 12:10

Wow, a goldmine of information ! Thanks guys. And if anybody has any ideas about the Ustuf on the right, you're all welcome (is he wearing thick-rimmed glasses ?)
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Lassmann

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Post by itaiv40 » 12 Apr 2007, 02:57

The man on the right is Ustuf Jurgen Lassmann (SS # 297-443). He headed the research center ("Forschungsstelle") at the Aktion Reinhard Lublin headquarters. Probably in charge of development, planning and statistics.

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Post by Eddy Marz » 15 Apr 2007, 15:27

Hi itaiv 40;
Sorry for answering so late. Thanks alot for the info on Lassmann.
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#15

Post by Mikedc » 15 Dec 2007, 20:48

Hello Eddy,

It's not Gottfriend Herring, but Gottfried Hering....., so only with one 'r'.


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