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[j keenan]

Hi ste
Lange,gerhard 6.6.17
could he be st.oj k.i.a. 18.10.41 taganrog
Best Jamie

[j keenan]

Hi Ste
Payer d.o.b 5.11.18
sss-untersturmfuhrer
2 ss-pz gren rgt 9.43
Best Jamie

[waffen-IDF]

B:18.5.20

KIA 18.1.42 Taganrog
Ustuf. Zug.Fhr, 17./IV./LSSAH 1.42

SS:307801

Moniroth You-Bell
Aka Waffen-Israel Defense Forces

[Ste]

The first time I read the list I see also some other names of soldier who became officers.I remeber 4:

-Helmut Mader, b. 20.8.1918 (363728) he became Zug and Kp fuhrer of 10/25 in Hj division in the invasion
-Hinrich Garbade, b. 24.10.1919 (364824), 6.44 in 101st SS Heavy Artillery Abteilung
-Helmut Gaede, b 24.1.1920 (364221) Chef 2/12 Pz Rgt 6.44 DkiG
-Gunther Keue, b.26.5.1918 (365622) Chef 3/AA 12 6.44 - Zgf as Ustuf in 5/AA 1 at Charkow
-Georg Isecke, bo.12.6.1919 (364982) Adj Pz Rgt 12 as Hstuf, Adj II/PzRgt 1 as Ostuf

If you have any infos,are welcome!

[j keenan]

Mader i have with the 1 pz gren rgt 6.42
Gaede entered w/ss 25.1.38 ss school tolz 1.5.41-15.9.41
lssah 1.42 ss kampfgruppe Schuldt 3.43
ss-pz.gren.Ausb-u-Ers Btl 1 1.3.43-13.10.43
left for hitlerjurgend
ek1,21.3.42.ek2,29.10.41.infantry assault badge in silver 21.3.42
wound badge in black 5.3.43.east front medal 1.8.42
ss-untersturmfuhrer 30.1.42/R.D.A.1.10.41.ss-obersturmfuhrer 9.11.43
Garbade 16/lah 7.42
1/schwere ss Artillerie-Abteilung 101, battery officer, executive officer to the battery commander
then battery chef
Keue stab/aa1 1.41
1/aa1 4.42
m.i.a 4.45
Best Jamie

[waffen-IDF]

B:3.4.17 Gelsenkirchen, Rhineland
SS:346465
Hstuf:21.6.44
Ostuf:?
Ustuf:7.41 ?

KIA 30.3.45 Germany
Hstuf. Kdr, SS-Werfer.Abt.502 (changed from 102) 3.45
Hstuf. II.SS-Pz.Korps (parent unit of Wefer.Abt.102) 6.44
Ostuf. Chef, 4./SSWerfer.Abt.102 7.43
Ustuf. 9./SS-PAR.3 7.41
SS-Mann. 10./LSSAH 4.38

WHo is the Ustuf. Hermann Wolters who was awarded the DK:17.11.43 Ustuf. 9./SS-PGR.9 Germania ?

[j keenan]

Wolters d.o.b.24.10.17 Volzum
ssn 313 486 m.i.a. 17.2.44 Tscherkassy
best Jamie

[Mikedc]

Jamie wrote:

Hi ste
Kindermann is a different one from the 15.9.19 one
as he was still alive in 12.44 serving in the lll/ss-pz gren rgt 2 as a ss-untersturmfuhrer
source fuhrerliste
best jamie

Since Waffen-IDF came up with another Kindermann and Ste was talking about a Hubert Kindermann(SS-Sturmann, born 15-9-1919, died 2-10-41), I got interested in this Kindermann-person. And since Jamie didn't gave more details about him from the Führerliste I asked somebody else who also has the Führerliste to search for some more details. Apparently the SS-Untersturmführer Kindermann Jamie is talking about(still alive in 12-44 and Ustuf at that time)was also called Hubert Kindermann and also born on 15-9-19. So if the info on the VDK-site is correct, we have here two persons with precisly the same name and with precisly the same DoB. The Kindermann from Jamie had the SS-number 362.555 and he was in January 1941 SS-Rottenführer with 3. Kompanie from I. Infanterie-Bataillon within the Leibstandarte SS 'Adolf Hitler'. And in December 1944 he was indeed with III./SS-Pz.-Gr.-Rgt. 2 and this as Ordonnance-Offizier(OO).
Strangely enough there was apparently another Kindermann, Eberhard, also OO in III./SS-Pz.-Gr.-Rgt. 2 in December 1944. He was born on 22-11-1922 at Seebad Bansin, SS-number 491.379, and in February 1943 as Uschaf serving in SS-Pz.-Gr.-Rgt. 2.
The Ostuf Johann Kindermann Waffen-IDF is talking about was born on 30-9-1903 in Prag and had indeed the SS-number 329.715. In August 1942 he was Uschaf and serving with SS-Freiwilligen-Legion 'Niederlande'. In the fall of 1944 he was VI with SS-Pz.-Gr.-Aus. -und Ers.-Btl. 2

Greetings, Mike

[Mikedc]

Jamie wrote:

Hi ste
Lange,gerhard 6.6.17
could he be st.oj k.i.a. 18.10.41 taganrog
Best Jamie

I've found the following on the VDK-site. Are they one and the same???

Nachname: Lange
Vorname: Gerhard
Dienstgrad: Rottenführer
Geburtsdatum: 06.06.1917
Geburtsort: Schwalgendorf
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 28.11.1941
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Donez-Snilowskaja
Gerhard Lange wurde noch nicht auf einen vom Volksbund errichteten Soldatenfriedhof überführt oder konnte im Rahmen unserer Umbettungsarbeiten nicht geborgen werden. Nach den uns vorliegenden Informationen befindet sich sein Grab derzeit noch an folgendem Ort: Taganrog - Rußland.

Greetings, Mike

[j keenan]

Hi Mike
there are four Lange Gerhard on the fuhrer list
D.O.B 11.9.20
22.12.09
2.6.23
14.12.21
the 11.9.20 born Breslau St.OJ 12/lssah 10.41 k.i.a. 18.10.41 Taganrog
i have 30 Lange's and 3 with Gerhard first names serving in the lssah so far
Best Jamie

[Mikedc]

Hi Jamie,
Thank you very much. In the meantime I did find the following on the VDK-site.
Nachname: Lange
Vorname: Gerhard
Dienstgrad: Standarten-Oberjunker
Geburtsdatum: 11.09.1920
Geburtsort: Breslau
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 17.10.1941
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Taganrog
His DoD is one day earlier as the DoD you gave and his DoB is different as the Gerhard Lange you talked about in your earlier post bus as we can see from the info on the Führerliste this is the Standartenoberjunker Gerhard Lange. So again another small mystery solved(the 6-6-1917 born Gerhard Lange was only Rottenführer and died 28-11-1941, the Standartenoberjunker Gerhard Lange who died 17 or 18-10-1941 was born on 11-9-1920).

Greetings, Mike

[Mikedc]

Waffen-IDF wrote:

WHo is the Ustuf. Hermann Wolters who was awarded the DK:17.11.43 Ustuf. 9./SS-PGR.9 Germania ?

Jamie already answered this question but according to two other sites he was not with 9. Kompanie in 11-43 but with the
1. Kompanie.
Source: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=9404
And on Wiking-Ruf he's even mentioned as being the CO from 1. Kompanie: Ustuf. Wolters Chef 1./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. Germania 17.11.43
Source: http://www.wiking-ruf.com/new_awardrecipients.html

And the Hermann Wolters who was SS-Ustuf in 1941 with SS-Totenkopf-Artillerie-Regiment was apparently Batterie-Offizier with 9. Batterie and got wunded in March 1942: 9./SS-AR 3, Batterie-Offizier SS-UStuf. Wolters, ? ??.??.19?? - ??.03.1942 (verwundet)
Source: http://forum.balsi.de/index.php?topic=3948.0

Greetings, Mike

[j keenan]

Hi Mike,
The Fuhrer list as Wolters I/ss-pz gren rgt 9,10.39
1/ss-pz gren rgt 9,2.44 m.i.a.17.2.44 Tscherkassy the divisions list as him 1.44 1/ss-pz gren rgt 9
But on checking his personnel file it has him as 1 kompanie fuhrer 30.7.43
best Jamie

[waffen-IDF]

B:10.1.20
SS:490142

Ustuf:21.6.44 SS-PzGren.Rgt.2
Posted while still a SOJ.
SOJ. 11.Res.KJL, SS-PzGren.Sch 3.44

http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic ... 42&t=29620

[waffen-IDF]

B:14.2.21
SS:?
Ustuf:21.6.44

Ustuf. Chef, 3./SS-PAA.1 5.45
Ustuf. 1./SS-PAA.1 6.44
SOJ. 11.Res.KJL,SS-PzGren.Sch 3.44