SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by Phil Nix » 31 Aug 2009 17:22

stril wrote:Hello
I dont understand the writing below:
The moderator had to disconnect the following Generals/Admirals.
They do not belong to the superordinate concept "war criminals" in this context !!
It should not be allowed to measure everything by the same yardstick !!
And this admiral :
Otto von Schrader (born March 18, 1888 in Lyck, East Prussia, † 19 July 1945 in Bergen, Norway(suicide) was a German naval officer, Admiral during World War II
Why is he not regarded as a war criminal by Dieter Z.
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To turn the question round why is he a war criminal .Do you mean that all members of the Wehrmacht were war criminals ??
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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by Leo Angel » 31 Aug 2009 18:41

What about Walter Model? I think he can be considered as war criminal...

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by Phil Nix » 01 Sep 2009 11:14

Leo Angel wrote:What about Walter Model? I think he can be considered as war criminal...
Why
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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by stril » 01 Sep 2009 11:55

To turn the question round why is he a war criminal .Do you mean that all members of the Wehrmacht were war criminals ??
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Adm.Schräder shot himself in his bunker when he was to be arrested and charged for war crimes.
The killing of the crew of MTB 345 was one of the cases. A war criminal seen from British and Norwegian point of view.
Do you mean that all members of the Wehrmacht were war criminals ??
If you can find anything in my postings in this forum that suggest something like that, please inform me at once.
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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by Dieter Zinke » 01 Sep 2009 15:08

We are still waiting for the answer of our member ansata :roll: :roll:

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by ansata1976 » 01 Sep 2009 16:38

What do you want to hear??? The men i put on my list are for me war criminals otherwise the would not make a suicide to escape punishment.

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by Dieter Zinke » 01 Sep 2009 18:13

ansata1976 wrote:What do you want to hear??? The men i put on my list are for me war criminals otherwise the would not make a suicide to escape punishment.
Are you serious ???
Excuse, but under these absurd circumstances I'm not willing to discuss.
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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by Georg_S » 01 Sep 2009 19:43

ansata1976 wrote:What do you want to hear??? The men i put on my list are for me war criminals otherwise the would not make a suicide to escape punishment.
I have to questioning Ansata what he means with this. A lot of Germans took their lifes when Germany surrendered both in 1945 and in 1918, just because they lost the wars, and to make such generlized claim as you did in this post is for me stunning. NOT all Germans comitted suicide just because they was suspected warcriminals.

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by HaEn » 02 Sep 2009 04:31

As an ex "war criminal" by association, ( a Waffen SS noncom, promoted at the last minute) I have a not quite accurate, but sufficient answer to the question 'who is a war criminal.

"ANY general, officer, nocom, and soldier, of the country that lost the war is BAD :( ; and thus a war crininal.

ANY general, officer, noncom, and soldier of the winning party is "GOOG" and thus a hero. 8O

Cinical ?? yes, ! but look at the records of German-, Russian-, British-, and American Generals and/or top offivers. :roll:

Saints and sinners ? Oh well.

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by stril » 02 Sep 2009 12:55

Seems like i have missed something in this discusssion..This is nothing i want to participate in.
I have posted my coment on Adm.Schräder and leave it with that.
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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by PF » 16 Apr 2010 13:57

Walter Blume died in 1977 http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12191
Martin Sandberger died 2010 http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1454347

Link of Interest-Walter Kutschman was briefly arrested in Argentina but released
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... w=previous

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by Staszic49 » 16 Apr 2010 16:32

I always thought Hans Collani was KIA
ansata1976 wrote:Hans Collani (February 13, 1908 in Stettin, † July 29, 1944 at Narva(suicide)) was a German SS colonel of the Waffen-SS

Herbert Friedrich Ludwig Alpers, also called "Fritz Alpers' called (March 25, 1901 Sonnenberg, † September 3, 1944 in Mons, Belgium (suicide)) was a German Nazi politician, minister of the Free State of Brunswick, SA and SS Member, General Forester, State Secretary and an officer. Alpers is responsible for numerous crimes of the Nazis in Brunswick is responsible.

Otto Friedrich Herzog (born 30 October 1900 Zeiskam; † 6 May 1945 in Wroclaw (suicide)) was a member of parliament of the NSDAP and SA Obergruppenfiihrer.

Krüger, Walter (February 27, 1890 in Strasbourg, Alsace, † 22 May 1945 in Lithuania (suicide)) an SS General and General of the Waffen SS.

Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger (born May 8, 1894 in Strasbourg; † 10 May 1945 in Gundertshausen, Upper Austria(suicide)) was a functionary of the Nazi Party, SS General and General of the Waffen-SS (1944) and Police (1941).

Joachim Rumohr (August 6, 1910 in Hamburg, † 11 February 1945 in Budapest(suicide)) was a German SS brigade commander, and Major General of the Waffen-SS and a Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross.

Friedrich Suhr (born May 6, 1907 in Lüneburg; † 31 May 1946 (suicide) in prison, Wuppertal-Elberfeld) was in Nazi Germany SS Lieutenant Colonel and Government, Heads of Unit II A 3 (Justice Affairs, claims for damages) as well as employees in Eichmannreferat IV B 4 of the RSHA, the leader of the Sonderkommando 4b and 6 of the Einsatzgruppen Einsatzgruppen of the Security Police and Security Service in Russia, commander of the Security Police and SD in France.

Manfred Freiherr von Killinger (born July 14, 1886 at Good Lindigt in Nossen, † September 2, 1944 in Bucharest ( suicide) was a German naval officer, Freikorps, military writer, member of the Reichstag, Nazi politician and diplomat.

William Traupel (May 6, 1891 in Mainz, † 7 February 1946 in Recklinghausen (suicide)) was SS Colonel (1939), German manager at the Friedrich Krupp AG and governor of the Prussian province of Hesse-Nassau.
The moderator had to disconnect the following Generals/Admirals.
They do not belong to the superordinate concept "war criminals" in this context !!
It should not be allowed to measure everything by the same yardstick !!



Karl Decker (born November 30, 1897 at Borntin near Neustettin; † 21 April 1945 in Groß Brunsrode near Brunswick (suicide) was a German officer, most recently General of Panzer Troops

Werner Albrecht Freiherr von und zu Gilsa (March 4, 1889 in Berlin, May 8, 1945 Leitmeritz † (suicide)) was a German officer, as general of infantry and last Commandant of Dresden. As colonel Gilsa was commandant of the Olympic village in Berlin 1936.

Hermann Geyer (born July 7, 1882 in Stuttgart, † April 10, 1946 at Wildsee near Wildbad (suicide) was a German officer, as general of infantry in World War II.

Günther von Kluge (October 30, 1882 in Poznan, † 19 August 1944 Metz (suicide), also known as Hans Günther von Kluge) was a German army officer (since 1940 Field Marshal) during World War II and commander of the 4th Army and various military groups.

Walter Model (January 24, 1891 Genthin; † 21 April 1945 in Duisburg) was a German army officer (since 1944 Field Marshal) and during World War II Army and Army Group Commander and Commander in Chief West briefly. He was among army officers as a supporter of Hitler.

Otto von Schrader (born March 18, 1888 in Lyck, East Prussia, † 19 July 1945 in Bergen, Norway(suicide) was a German naval officer, Admiral during World War II

Alfred Gutknecht (June 20, 1888 Badingen, Stendal, † November 12, 1946 in Berlinb (suicide) was a German general in the Wehrmacht.

Otto von Stülpnagel (June 16, 1878 in Berlin † 6 February 1948 in Paris( suicide)) was Luftwaffe General and General of infantry in the German Wehrmacht. From October 1940 to February 1942 he was a "military commander of France" (MBF), the subordinate, most areas of the occupied part of France.

Also the following uboat-commanders do not belong to this topic IMO:
Carlo Fecia di Cossato (September 25, 1908 in Rome, † 27 August 1944 in Naples(suicide)) was an Italian naval officer.
Werner Henke (born May 13, 1909 in Torun, † 15 June 1944 in Fort Hunt in Alexandria (Virginia)(suicide)) was a German naval officer and submarine commander in World War II


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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by ansata1976 » 10 Dec 2013 12:09

Alfred Ackermann
26.09.1909
SS-Unterscharführer,Kommandoführer Krematorium Auschwitz
died 14.02.1946 in Russian prison

Dietrich Kamann
02.10.1904 in Frankfurt am Main
SS-Unterscharführer
died 16.03.1946 in Russian prison

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by ansata1976 » 11 Dec 2013 23:01

Ralf Rogge
20.05.1911 in Wilhelmshaven
SS-Hauptsturmführer in Auschwitz
Died 1947 in Bautzen prison

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Re: SS and Nazi war criminals deaths in custody.

Post by WilliSaenger » 19 Dec 2013 18:07

SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Hilliges: Born in Berlin, Head of Gestapo in Innsbruck/Austria 1942-44. Senteced to lifelong prison in 1948 but released in Dec. 1955. Suicide in Bremen in January 1956 together with his wife.

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