SS ID Quiz

[Max Williams]

The three NAC photos are of the same man, but the question is, are they Dolp? If Dolp didn't arrive until February 1940, why is he in a Nov/Dec 1939 image with Globus? The Sam Browne was apparently no longer uniform regulation in February 1940, but all three (Glob/HH/unident) are wearing Sam Brownes, which dates all these photos before Dolp's arrival in Lublin. I can't explain it.
Max.

[J. Duncan]

But couldn't the fact that there were only possibly a handful of Blood Order recipients on Globocnik's staff at the time narrow down the names of men of who to look for (by name, date of birth) , and of men who have the same rank Dolp was demoted to and who we can look to see if any of these men look like the man in question? The man also looks old for his rank - Dolp was born in 1889, so would have been 51. Strange to have an older man old fighter (of low rank) surrounded by young men - old fighters usually moved up the food chain not downwards? How many of these could there be on Globocnik's staff? Not saying you don't make a valid contradiction, I'm just trying to find out the answer and asking questions to see if anyone would know.

[Ivan Ž.]

I think that the logical explanation would be that they simply continued wearing Sam Brownes against the new regulations and that the photos were taken after February 1940 (remember that Himmler himself can be also seen wearing a Sam Browne in photos after Feb. 1940). To me, the SS-Stubaf. is Dolp. Everything matches (most of all, the face + the rare decoration) except for a belt. Having in mind that the SS wasn't really 100% strict when it came to similar uniform changes and rules, I don't think we should pay more attention to a belt than to the really important details (not saying that the uniform changes/rules should be ignored, quite the contrary; and thanks to Max for pointing out this detail).

Cheers,
Ivan

[J. Duncan]

This was KLSS's second quiz pic (the Dolp question should probably be split into thread "Himmler, Globocnik and...?")
We can ignore his first photo for the quiz and move on to his second proposal? (I just didn't want his second quiz photo to get too far back)

His original posted photo is on panel 424 where you can blow it up

[Ivan Ž.]

(the Dolp question should probably be split into thread "Himmler, Globocnik and...?")

Yes, definitely.

Cheers,
Ivan

[Max Williams]

I think that the logical explanation would be that they simply continued wearing Sam Brownes against the new regulations and that the photos were taken after February 1940 (remember that Himmler himself can be also seen wearing a Sam Browne in photos after Feb. 1940).

Sam Browne belts were discarded by the Wehrmacht and the SS after the completion of the Polish campaign - October 1939. Fact. I'm sorry, but you surely are not suggesting that Globocnik, "Dolp", Himmler, and a Wehrmacht officer standing behind "Dolp" in the full version of one of the NAC photos, all decided to carry on wearing their belts, contrary to regulations, 3 months after the regulation changed? Really?
Please post other photos of Himmler wearing a Sam Browne uniform belt after February 1940 as you suggest. Knowing Himmler's fastidious attitude towards regulations, I cannot believe he would flout regulations in such a way.
So far, we have agreed that the three NAC photos are of the same man, but there's nothing to say it's Dolp. KLSS has been mistaken in a number of his statements, so maybe Dolp joined the GG Staff before February 1940? I know nothing of Dolp or what he looks like, so I can't check. Neither do I have a record of Blood Order holders from late 1939 to check against the SS-DAL to see which men were in the GG. Anyone help? I'd like to solve this longstanding question over ID.
Max.

[Ivan Ž.]

Sam Browne belts were discarded by the Wehrmacht and the SS after the completion of the Polish campaign - October 1939. Fact. I'm sorry, but you surely are not suggesting that Globocnik, "Dolp", Himmler, and a Wehrmacht officer standing behind "Dolp" in the full version of one of the NAC photos, all decided to carry on wearing their belts, contrary to regulations, 3 months after the regulation changed? Really?
Please post other photos of Himmler wearing a Sam Browne uniform belt after February 1940 as you suggest. Knowing Himmler's fastidious attitude towards regulations, I cannot believe he would flout regulations in such a way.

Yes, really! And the "Wehrmacht" officers are in fact Zollgrenzschutz officers!

In the USHMM photos of Himmler with Karl Künstler at the Flossenbürg camp dated 6 April 1940, the RF-SS wears a Sam Browne belt (dated by bogo: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 5#p1689057 ; the archive dated them circa April 1940 https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1156337).

The NAC dated their photos of Globocnik with Frank July 1940 (the archive often credited the photo censorship dates, which were usually a couple of weeks/months different than their actual dates; so the NAC photos might have been taken, for example, in May/June 1940, but not much earlier than that; notice also the fully-blossomed trees in the background, suggesting that the photos couldn't have been taken in late autumn/winter 1939/40, but in spring/summer 1940 https://audiovis.nac.gov.pl/obraz/11095 ... 10bd4a02f/ ; the photo of Globocnik with Himmler [and Dolp] was not dated https://audiovis.nac.gov.pl/obraz/10895 ... 10bd4a02f/).

Also remember the well-known Bundesarchiv photo of Globocnik wearing a Sam Browne belt in 1940 (notice the [deciduous] trees again): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... edlung.jpg

If you wish to see more photos of Sam Browne being worn by SS officials in 1940, search, for example, also for photos of Seyß-Inquart and his gang: https://audiovis.nac.gov.pl/i/PIC/PIC_2-4633.jpg (March 1940), https://audiovis.nac.gov.pl/i/PIC/PIC_2-9485.jpg (April 1940), https://www.atlantikwallmuseum.nl/wp-co ... nhof7b.jpg (June 1940), etc, there are many of them.

The SS-Stubaf. looks exactly like Dolp, he's a Blutorden recipient like Dolp, nothing disproves that the photo was taken in/after February 1940, and there's really no reason to insist that KLSS was mistaken. The mistake was the claim that the SS discontinued using Sam Browne belts in 1939.

[/size]Source: deathcamps.org

Ivan

[Max Williams]

That's reasonable.

[KLSS]

Hi
A clue for my last picture : the SS officer wears an "SS-Adjutantenschnur" ...
Good Luck
KLSS

[KLSS]

Hi
A last clue : he was in KL ?atzweiler, and the KL Dachau

[KLSS]

Hi
This man is SS-Obersturmfürer Horst VOLKMAR, Adjutant in KL Natzweiler 1941-1944, then Schutzhaftlagerführer in Dachau 1944-1945 (Aussenlager Haunstetten, then Aussenlager Augsburg-Pfersee).
I am interested for more information about this officer.
DR
KLSS

[Georges JEROME]

28.01.1912 at Waltershausen
Pg 1.182.761
SS 45.388
1941 - 1943 SS-Ustuf und Adjudant KL Natzweiler
1944 KL Dachau
KVK 1. Kl.

[KLSS]

Thanks you Georg for informations.

[KLSS]

Hi
Another SS in KL Dienst. I think it's easy.

[J. Duncan]

No clue but your quiz entries are fascinating
The camp men are the underbelly of the SS who normally don’t get much attention as individuals in many books.