Wiligut-Weisthor as SS-Brigadeführer?

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Post by Helge » 01 Oct 2011 07:17

Wiligut's residence in Goslar in "The ancestral heritage-weapons research in the Waffen SS in Goslar" 27 september 1943

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Post by Helge » 21 Oct 2011 03:00

Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler bei der Besichtigung einer alten Dorfkirche auf der Ostseeinsel Fehmarn.

Note: Von links nach rechts: Wiligut, Reinhard Heydrich, Himmler, Karl Wolff, Frau Margarete Himmler und Frau Lina Heydrich. Aufnahmedatum: Sommer 1934. Aufnahmeort: Insel Fehmarn. Foto: Friedrich Bauer

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Title: Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler bei der Besichtigung einer alten Dorfkirche auf der Ostseeinsel Fehmarn.

Note: Von links nach rechts: Wiligut, Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich, Frau Lina Heydrich, Frau Margarete Himmler und SS-Oberführer Karl Wolff. Aufnahmedatum: Sommer 1934. Aufnahmeort: Insel Fehmarn. Foto: Friedrich Bauer

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Post by Kori Houghton » 21 Oct 2011 23:22

Great photos, Helge, thanks much for sharing them!

The date surprises me, though. I know that Himmler did a tour of Fehmarn the following year in summer 1935, celebrating the Summer Solstice and the completion of the Heydrichs' summer home on the island. I am wondering if the source for the photos has the year wrong? Or was Himmler there when the Heydrichs made the agreement in 1934 to purchase the land on Fehmarn for the house? If so, I wonder how -- or if -- Wiligut was involved.

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Post by Helge » 22 Oct 2011 03:41

Kori Houghton wrote:Great photos, Helge, thanks much for sharing them!

The date surprises me, though. I know that Himmler did a tour of Fehmarn the following year in summer 1935, celebrating the Summer Solstice and the completion of the Heydrichs' summer home on the island. I am wondering if the source for the photos has the year wrong? Or was Himmler there when the Heydrichs made the agreement in 1934 to purchase the land on Fehmarn for the house? If so, I wonder how -- or if -- was involved.



Hello Kori Houghton,
this thing has to be deepened!
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Photo:Lütjenbrode (Fehmarn); Gästeheim Lina Heydrich; Ansicht. Aufnahmeort: Lütjenbrode (Fehmarn). Material/Technik: Fotografie. Höhe x Breite 13 x 18 cm. Inventar-Nr.: 25294 Foto: Heinrich Hoffmann

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Post by Kori Houghton » 22 Oct 2011 04:33

When I first saw the photos with Wiligut, I wondered why he was there. So I've been doing some research this evening while all my camera batteries are being recharged -- a great excuse to play on the computer instead of working :lol:

It seems that Himmler did make two visits to Fehmarn: one that is well documented in late June 1935, and another mentioned on page 58 of the book Wannsee house and the Holocaust by Steven Lehrer as being soon afterwards. A brief quote from the book:

"For the Heydrich house on Fehmarn, Himmler had a metalsmith handcraft a big door lock, which was supposed to shield the place from unwanted guests. Today the lock still adorns the door of a resident of the district. Lina Heydrich lived on Fehmarn until her death in 1985 at age seventy-four.

Heinrich Himmler journeyed to Fehmarn a second time, on June 22, 1935, to take part in the housewarming. The next day, Sunday, a large detatchment of SS enlivened the festivities including a ceremony celebrating the equinox. {NOTE: this is an error. The equinoxes occur in Spring and Autumn when daylight and darkness are approximately of equal length -- as the meaning of the word, equi (equal) nox (night), suggests. The author should have said solstice as June 21 or 22 is the longest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere. K.H.} A local historian, Peter Wiepert, a cousin of Lina Heydrich, was on hand to show Himmler the archaeological and scenic high points of the island and Katharinenhof. One day later, June 24, 1935, Reichsfuhrer returned to Berlin."

More paragraphs follow about Himmler summoning Wiepert to Berlin, and apparently convincing him to work on finding and gathering local antiquities, maybe involved with the Ahnenerbe, which was founded, if I recall correctly, that year (1935). The relevant pages are found on Google Books here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=LchpXx ... er&f=false

So it makes perfect sense to me that Himmler would have taken Wiligut along, maybe on all his visits to Fehmarn. I'd love to find a photo of that special lock!

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Post by Kori Houghton » 22 Oct 2011 05:18

More links.

Peter Wiepert:
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... d%3Dimvnso

Somebody buy my townhouse, please, so I can have this:
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qwork ... ng*buyused

Nordhav Foundation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiftung_Nordhav

Albertsdorf Dolmen on Fehmarn (click OK to see the photos):
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=17478

All related to special interests that Himmler and Wiligut shared.

Helge, was there any mention of which church on Fehmarn was in the photos? I also found some odd bits of lore about one church on Fehmarn where a statue supposedly wept blood centuries ago, and I wondered if that was the scene in the photos.

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Post by Helge » 22 Oct 2011 05:21

Fehmarn: Himmler on 22 June 1935 in the wake of Burger Town Hall
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Post by Helge » 22 Oct 2011 06:03

Kori Houghton wrote:Helge, was there any mention of which church on Fehmarn was in the photos? I also found some odd bits of lore about one church on Fehmarn where a statue supposedly wept blood centuries ago, and I wondered if that was the scene in the photos.


KATALOG DER DEUTSCHEN NATIONALBIBLIOTHEK

Wiepert, Peter. - Bisdorf auf Fehmarn : [Selbstverlag], 1963, 2. erg. Aufl.


(* 19. July 1890 in until village on Fehmarn; † 21. February 1980 in until village) was a farmer, fehmarnscher homeland researcher, director/conductor of the local history museum in castle on Fehmarn - which carries today its name - and writers.
Wiepert began according to own data alreadyas a young person with heimatkundlichen research to history and customs of the island Fehmarn. Already at present it wrote essays for newspapers and magazines to the Weimar Republic.
At present the third realm obviously promised himself he a promotion of its heimatkundlichen work by the National Socialist regime. Itstrove for party member shank, met with Himmler and cooperated with the Gestapo. In the year 1941 a Fehmarn book appeared W.s in the publishing house of the SS-donation “ancestor inheritance”. After end of war it was interned by the allied ones for some months. Up to its death Wiepert supplied still numerous contributionson high-German and flat-German for newspapers and magazines, likewise for sound broadcasting and television. Some its writings published it as “grey literature” in the self publishing house.
The most important writings of Peter Wiepert:
The crown in the blue Meeer
the church to land churches
people narrations of the island Fehmarn
of thatCradle up to the Bahre
Opn Truerkamp
Dor kem dorna EN swore Tied
Fehmarnsch humor
literature to Wieperts activities in the third realm: Tuchel, Johannes: Pure hard Heydrich and the “donation Nordhav”: the activities of the SS-guidance on Fehmarn. In: Magazine of the society for Schleswig Holsteini history 117 (1992),S. 199-225.

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Post by Helge » 25 Oct 2011 07:13

Letter of Otto Rahn of September 27, 1935

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Post by Helge » 05 Nov 2011 11:23

Certificate of death of Wiligut
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Post by Max Williams » 05 Nov 2011 13:48

Kori Houghton wrote:...........I'd love to find a photo of that special lock!


Slight error. The lock was obtained by a well known German historian and remained in his collection.
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Post by Kori Houghton » 06 Nov 2011 05:03

Max Williams wrote:
Kori Houghton wrote:...........I'd love to find a photo of that special lock!


Slight error. The lock was obtained by a well known German historian and remained in his collection.
Max.


Are you saying then the lock was never installed on the house? So no photos ever existed? Well, darn...I am disappointed :cry:

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Post by Max Williams » 06 Nov 2011 09:54

No. The lock was on the door of the summer house which Lina turned into a guest house and then a pension. It was subsequently obtained by the historian. The building itself was destroyed by fire and demolished. (See pp254-256 of volume 2 Heydrich biography.)
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