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Early LAH

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Post by Max Williams » 13 Sep 2007, 17:24

Here is an early LAH photo. Is that Möhnke out in front?
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Post by Max Williams » 13 Sep 2007, 17:27

If not, this one definitely is. I love the LAH motif.
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Post by Dimitrii » 13 Sep 2007, 18:16

What's the source of these images?

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Post by Reader3000 » 13 Sep 2007, 18:57

Max, could you provide us with a close-up of the leading men in the first photo, please?

Looks like it is not Mohnke. (without "umlaut" it is)

It is amazing that nearly all early officers of the LAH had those dogs. :lol:

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Post by mty » 13 Sep 2007, 21:50

Wow! That must be from 1933, Stabswache Berlin era :). The unit commander seems to be accompanied by a police officer but from what I see he is not wearing the uniform of the Prussian Schupo - thus the photo might have been taken elsewhere instead of Berlin. The officer is wearing the peaked cap which was the primary headgear in states of Württemberg, Thüringen and Mecklenburg.

Any other info available about the first photo, Max?

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Post by Max Williams » 13 Sep 2007, 22:18

Dimitrii wrote:What's the source of these images?
These were both scanned from repro prints I had a few years ago. I now only have the scanned images on disc and I came across them today when searching for something else. No other info I'm afraid.
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Post by Reader3000 » 13 Sep 2007, 22:21

Hm, the black uniformed leader has two stars on his collar patch. So he was either Oberscharführer or Standartenjunker. But I'm not familiar with the early rank insignia.
Mohnke was Hauptsturmführer in 1935.

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Post by linnage » 13 Sep 2007, 23:08

It is strange they do not have arm-bands because they are can be employed like auxilliaires of police force?

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Post by Reader3000 » 13 Sep 2007, 23:16

The leader of this group also has no cufftitle.

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Post by Michael Miller » 14 Sep 2007, 00:04

Here's some info.- including promotion dates- on Mohnke.
Source: The SS-Brigadeführer, 1933 - 1945, by Michael D. Miller & Andreas Schulz (CD-Rom, 2004).

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Wilhelm Mohnke
SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS



* 15.03.1911 in Lübeck.
+ 06.08.2001 in Barsbuttel bei Hamburg.

NSDAP-Nr.: 649 684 (Joined 01.09.1931)
SS-Nr.:
15 541 (Joined 01.11.1931)

Promotions:
01.11.1931 SS-Anwärter
16.11.1931 SS-Mann
05.03.1932 SS-Scharführer
09.03.1933 SS-Truppführer
28.06.1933 SS-Sturmführer
01.10.1933 SS-Sturmhauptführer
01.09.1940 SS-Sturmbannführer der Waffen-SS
21.06.1943 SS-Obersturmbannführer der Waffen-SS
21.05.1944 SS-Standartenführer der Waffen-SS
04.11.1944 SS-Oberführer der Waffen-SS
13.01.1945 SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS (mit Wirkung vom 30.01.1945)

Decorations & Awards:
11.07.1944 Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes as SS-Obersturmbannführer and Kdr. SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 26
/ Panzer-Division “Hitlerjugend” / I.SS-Panzer-Korps “Leibstandarte“ / Heeresgruppe B, Western Front (based on a recommendation dated 21.06.1944 and signed by Div. Fhr. Kurt Meyer; endorsed by Korps Kom. Gen. “Sepp“ Dietrich)
26.12.1941 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold as SS-Sturmbannführer and Kdr. II.Bataillon / Leibstandarte-SS “Adolf Hitler“ (mot.), Eastern Front
08.11.1939 1939 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse
21.09.1939 1939 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse
03.10.1940 Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse mit Schwertern
03.10.1940 Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen in Bronze
00.00.194_ Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Gold
15.09.1941 Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Silber
10.02.1940 Verwundetenabzeichen, 1939 in Schwarz
00.00.194_ Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Bronze
00.00.194_ SS-Dienstauszeichnungen
00.00.193_ Abzeichen des SA-Treffens Braunschweig 1931
ca. 1936 Deutsche Olympia-Ehrenzeichen II. Klasse
00.00.19__ SA-Sportabzeichen in Gold
[01.12.1937] SA-Sportabzeichen in Bronze
00.00.19__ Deutsches Reiterabzeichen in Bronze
[01.12.1937] Ehrendegen des Reichsführers-SS
[01.12.1937] Totenkopfring der SS
00.00.19__ SS-Zivilabzeichen (Nr. 10 362)
16.12.1935 Julleuchter der SS
00.00.193_ Ehrenwinkel für alte Kämpfer
00.00.1942 Military Order for Bravery in War 4th Class, 1st Grade (Bulgaria)
00.00.19__ Knight’s Cross of the Order of Merit in Silver (Hungary)

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Post by Derek » 14 Sep 2007, 16:42

Interesting shot Max,
It was most likely taken in or around May 1933 and it certainly looks like Mohnke to me. The police officer with him could be Hauptwachmeister Hoffmann, a member of the Prussian State Police who were responsible for the early training of the Stabswache. Mohnke was at this time, as Mike has already pointed out, an SS-Truppführer, (two pips).
At this stage there was no cufftitle for the unit and many of the shots from the period show no brassard being worn. Speculation is that this was a result of Dietrich seeing the unit as a military one as opposed to a political one. This was a constant source of friction between Himmler and Dietrich.
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Post by Georg_S » 14 Sep 2007, 19:01

Hello MAx,

I think it´s definately Mohnke, If you look in R Lehmanns book LAH im Bild page 16 you have two photos of Monhke
in Black uniform and with the rank of an SS-Oscha which matches your photo. Then on page 17 you have the 3. Lehrsturm
under "Führung" of Polizeiwachtmeisters Ullerich (Later Kdr SS-Flak-Abt.1) and there you can see that "small" policeofficer again. And the caprion of that photo is "Mai 1933 der 3.Lehrsturm in Zossen unter Führung des Polizeiwachtmeisters Ullerich: später Kommandeur SS-Flak-Abt.1 I/32" But in this photo the "short"policeofficer is waring boots in your photo he is wearing shoes.
Teh caption of the photo first mentione dit´s "Einer Grupep der "ersten 120" in der Kaserne Friesenstrasse - die mit vollem Namen "Kaiserin Augusta Victoria Kaserne hiess - 1 von links Th.Wisch 4 Reister 6 W. Mohnke 7 F. Witt 8 v.Stein Also gleich 3 spätere Divisionskommandeure"

On page 18 you also have a photo of Mohnke as SS-Oscha walking behind Sepp Dietrich and Hauptwachtmeister Hoffmann later Kdr. 15.(Krad)/LAH beside Mohnke you have Heinz Dabelstein ended the war as SS-Ustuf and Adj. SS-Pz.Jg.Abt.8 "FG" KIA 11.2.1945.

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Re: Early LAH

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Post by mty » 28 Apr 2008, 16:39

Could someone clear up certain minor points in the early development of LAH:

1) The future LAH was first designated as Stabswache. Most authors only use this title. But also Stabswache Berlin and Stabswache Dietrich are mentioned. Besided these, there's also a well-known pre-1933 photo of Dietrich in Munich with ca. 100 men dressed in "traditional" uniform with caption sayin "Stabswache". Was it first assembled in Munich (perhaps something to do with SS-Standarte I) and then sent to Berlin and - to distinguish it with other staff guard units - renamed Stabswache Berlin/Dietrich?

2) From the beginning, Stabswache was considered part of the Hilfspolizei in Berlin-Brandenburg area. Interestingly there are not many photos showing recognizable Stabswache men wearing Hilfspolizei brassards. Removal of the SS armband can be understood as a gesture to point out the military status of the unit but did Dietrich really have authority to discard the Hipo insignia as well?

Since the Stabswache was trained by and later accommodated with the units of the Prussian Schupo, it was considered a police formation. Was it then seen as a special formation right from the beginning, not taking part into regular Hipo duties at all?

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Post by smetanin albert » 04 Jun 2021, 11:34

about Ullerich
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Post by Hans1906 » 05 Jun 2021, 15:52

Copy from a german book, I do no remember the source, photo probably cropped...


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