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Shane A Beaver
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SS-Motorstandarten

Post by Shane A Beaver » 03 Jan 2008 16:59

According to the October 1934 DAL, many officers served with Motorstandarten. For example, SS-Ustuf. Kurt Ludewig served with SS-Motorstandarte 21 at that time. Does anyone have a list of all the Motorstandarten, their commanders and where they were based? Furthermore, when did these Motorstandarten come into being and when were they discontinued? Thanks in advance.

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Post by Phil Nix » 04 Jan 2008 11:37

Here is a starting list and two official documents about SS Motor units
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Post by Phil Nix » 04 Jan 2008 11:39

the lists
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Post by Shane A Beaver » 04 Jan 2008 14:31

Many thanks for sharing that information with me, Phil. Knew my German would come in useful one day!

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Post by Derek » 05 Jan 2008 23:22

Shane,
With the growth of the NSKK the SS motoring units were reduced in size and reorganised sometime around 1935/1936.
As you can see from the following figures in the SS Statistical Yearbooks the unit strength declined radically during this period.
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Post by Derek » 05 Jan 2008 23:24

As I mentioned above, the units were re-organised and by 1937 the structure looked like this.
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Post by BB-WA » 27 Jan 2008 08:42

Post subject: Motorstandarten

SS-Motorstandarten personnel list from 1934 DAL

- SS-Motorstandarten list for 00.03.1934.
* (Unknown where SS-Motorstandarte 30 is located ?)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Ruhl SS# 38 573 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Wachter SS# 24 339 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Herbert von Dolsperg SS# 1 591 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* (Unknown where SS-Motorstandarte 29 is located ?)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Oswald Weyler SS# 20 998 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Wilhelm Behm SS# 108 970 - (SS-Stuf. - 25.03.1934.)

* (Unknown where SS-Motorstandarte 28 is located ?)
SS-Sturmführer. Ludwig Reichold SS# 161 533 - (SS-Stuf. - 29.06.1934.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Karl Meister SS# 70 173 - (SS-Stuf. - 31.07.1933.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Graßl SS# 1 310 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Stollwerk SS# 2 174 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Johann Köhler SS# 2 214 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Eduard Gutsmitl SS# 2 370 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Martin Hölzl SS# 2 372 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* (Unknown where SS-Motorstandarte 8 is located ?)
SS-Sturmführer. Georg Hof SS# 80 396 - (SS-Stuf. - 17.05.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Elbe: -
Oberstaffelführer. -
15.03.1934. - 00.00.0000. - Emil Jentsch -

* SS-Motorstandarte 2 -
SS-Sturmführer. Franz Reinhold SS# 16 425 - (SS-Stuf. - 07.06.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Arnold Horst SS# 58 524 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Böttcher SS# 456 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Kurt Winkler SS# 1 009 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Haase SS# 1 266 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Richard Rosnowsky SS# 2 781 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Preusse SS# 2 856 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto von Loeben SS# 16 444 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Vogler SS# 23 634 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Rudi Franke SS# 24 641 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Max Winkler SS# 39 912 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Leithold SS# 47 060 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Artur Müller SS# 51 649 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Richter SS# 126 232 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Laake SS# 135 432 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
* 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 2 -
SS-Sturmführer. Rudolf Endesfelder SS# 23 591 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 16 -
SS-Sturmführer. Anton Baus SS 30 444 - (SS-Stuf. - 29.05.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Schönberger SS# 1 303 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Mitte: -
Oberstaffelführer. -
- Vacant -

* SS-Motorstandarte 18 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Heinrich Hoffmann SS# 52 851 - (SS-Ostuf. - 21.06.1934.)
beim Stab
SS-Obersturmführer. Dr. Franz Nieder SS# 2 549 - (SS-Ostuf. - 05.05.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Ernst Fischer SS# 21 938 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1932.)
SS-Sturmführer. Rudolf Kipping SS# 52 850 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 18 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Ewald Wolff SS# 42 705 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.09.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 27 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Dr. Rudolf Käckelle SS# 99 410 - (SS-Ostuf. - 04.06.1934.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Walter Ramsthaler SS# 3 104 - (SS-Stuf. - 13.01.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Specht SS# 2 993 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Keßler SS# 67 420 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Silber SS# 99 415 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Bösenberg SS# 113 447 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
beim
SS-Obersturmführer. Otto Gericke SS# 24 520 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.09.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Richard Bachmann SS# 10 919 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 27 -
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Prinz von Hessen SS# 52 711 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Nord: -
Oberstaffelführer. -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. 05.04.1934. - 00.00.0000. - Georg-Henning Graf von Bassewitz-Behr SS# 35 446 - (SS-Stubaf. -17.06.1934.) Trans. Beim Stab SS-Oa Nord

* SS-Motorstandarte 13 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Walter Ellermeier SS# - (SS-Ostuf. - 17.06.1934.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Hans Krey SS# 150 118 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.06.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Erich Plagens SS# 35 383 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. ? von Klosowski SS# 8 976 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Kurt von dem Osten SS# 12 827 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Johannes Haebel SS# 48 797 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Reinhold Wilke SS# 95 388 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 13 -
SS-Sturmführer. Ernst Gabriel SS# 22 509 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 13 -
SS-Sturmführer. Richard Michel SS# 12 210 - (SS-Stuf. - 03.09.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Wessel SS# 46 685 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 13 -
SS-Sturmführer. Ferdinand Kollrep SS# 8 970 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 15 -
00.00.0000. - 05.04.1934. - SS-Obersturmführer. Georg-Henning Graf von Bassewitz-Behr SS# 35 446 - zug. Leiter II / SS-Motorstandarte 15 - Trans. as Oberstaffelführer, SS-Motorstandarte 13
05.04.1934. - 11.05.1935. - SS-Sturmführer. Helmut Otte SS# 61 335 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.09.1934.) Trans. as Führer z.b.V., SS-Abschnitts XV, Altona
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Hugo Ohle SS# 13 967 - (SS-Stuf. - 07.03.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Wilhelm Hohorst SS# 166 834 - (SS-Stuf. - 07.03.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Gau SS# 22 441 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.04.1934.)
beim z.b.V.
SS-Sturmführer. Martin Seehaus SS# 27 565 - (SS-Stuf. - 08.08.1932.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Paul Neumann SS# 14 720 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Wernecke SS# 33 522 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Walter Lewerenz SS# 35 306 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Harald Milde SS# 53 615 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 15 -
SS-Sturmführer. Willi Christiansen SS# 14 611 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 15 -
SS-Sturmführer. Georg-Henning Graf von Bassewitz-Behr SS# 35 446 - zug. Leiter SS-Motorstandarte 15
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 15 -
01.11.1933. - 16.02.1934. - SS-Scharführer. Helmuth Otte SS# 61 335 - (SS-Stuf. - 30.04.1934.) Trans. as Kdr. 28 / 3 / 15 SS-Motorstandarte 15
SS-Sturmführer. Arno Hanke SS# 11 350 - (SS-Stuf. - 24.04.1934.)
*** 28 / 3 / 15 SS-Motorstandarte 15
16.02.1934 - 05.04.1934 - SS-Scharführer. Helmuth Otte SS# 61 335 - (SS-Stuf. - 30.04.1934.) Trans. as Kdr. 15 SS-Motorstandarte 15

* SS-Motorstandarte 20
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Franz Herold SS# 59 596 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 23.08.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 25.05.1934.) (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Dr. Erich Jentz SS# 44 008 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 10.02.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Westphal SS# 44 952 - (SS-Stuf. - 25.05.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Jakob Weiseborn SS# 17 063 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Heldt SS# 2 456 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Walter Leuchtenberg SS# 9 862 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Claus Meister SS# 10 970 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Alfred Schramm SS# 17 079 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Sievers SS# 23 796 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 20 -
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Schmidt SS# 11 847 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 20 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Arnold Harms SS# 7 356 - (SS-Ostuf. - 12.04.1934.)
** 4 / SS-Motorstandarte 20 -
SS-Sturmführer. Boy Petersen SS# 33 455 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Nordost: -
Oberstaffelführer.
- Erich von Warzewski -

* SS-Motorstandarte 7 -
- Alfred Bieleki -
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Lothar Sand SS# 66 053 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
beim.
SS-Sturmführer. Arthur Knocks SS# 46 030 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Bernhard Schlapeit SS# 9 099 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 7 -
SS-Sturmführer. Julius Kolwitz SS# 54 406 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 7 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Gustav Drews SS# 24 409 - (SS-Ostuf. - 04.07.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 22 -
SS-Scharführer.Grolla -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Constantin Heldmann SS# 59 138 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 17.06.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 12.03.1934.) (SS-Stuf. - 24.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmbannführer. Wolfgang Huth SS# 3 198 - (SS-Stubaf. - 20.08.1934.) (SS-Sthauptf. - 20.03.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 01.12.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 06.12.1931.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Pawlowski SS# 52 346 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 26 -
SS-Sturmführer. Walter Sendowski SS# 31 000 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Albert Ewert SS# 25 907 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Kurt Lüdtke SS# 47 222 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 26 -
SS-Sturmführer. Werner Stürzebecher SS# 31 036 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 26 -
SS-Sturmführer. Max Ristau SS# 60 282 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Nordwest: -
Oberstaffelführer. -
SS-Scharführer. Luders -

* SS-Motorstandarte 4 -
- Erich Schrage -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Ernst Dittrich SS# 3 700 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 18.06.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 09.11.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1932.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Konstantin Pohlen SS# 15 781 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.10.1932.)
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Johann Thudt SS# 68 348 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.03.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. August Klinge SS# 2 587 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Rudolf Schwarz SS# 27 908 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Strauch SS# 80 846 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 4 -
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Warnecke SS# 114 684 -

* SS-Motorstandarte 14 -
SS-Truppenführer. Hautner -
SS-Sturmbannführer. Hugo Löhmann SS# 26 199 - (SS-Stubaf. - 18.06.1934.) (SS-Sthauptf. - 20.06.1933.) (SS-Ostuf.) (SS-Stuf. - 20.08.1932.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Wohlers SS# 9 009 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Ehler SS# 25 953 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Adolf Speckles SS# 32 160 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Paul Breuler SS# 35 828 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. August Meyer SS# 39 165 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Harry Schuchard SS# 42 291 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Aschke SS# 56 602 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 14 -
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Nothdurft SS# 8 743 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.08.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 14 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Wilhelm Ruhe SS# 3 736 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.11.1933.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 17 -
- Emil Niehaus -
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Reinhold Giersch SS# 18 806 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Ost: -
Oberstaffelführer. -
- Walter Stein -

* SS-Motorstandarte 3 -
SS-Sturmbannführer. Heinz Liedtke SS# 3 905 - (SS-Stubaf. - 23.08.1934.) (SS-Sthauptf. - 10.05.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 01.12.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 03.09.1933.)
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Walter Jurk SS# 44 795 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 09.05.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 03.09.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 12.06.1933.)
beim Stab
SS-Obersturmführer. Kurt Janicke SS# 34 998 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.05.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Hans Deichgräber SS# 132 687 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Walter Hoßfeld SS# 2 673 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
z.b.V.
SS-Obersturmführer. Franz Braunschweig SS# 2 973 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.05.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Rudolf Stolle SS# 2 782 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Kurt Teycke SS# 46 670 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Werner Martini SS# 35 086 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Roßner SS# 2 770 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Werkhausen SS# 3 126 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Franz Hillbrecht SS# 12 551 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Paul Krieg SS# 12 779 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Gustav Belusa SS# 46 672 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Martin Keßner SS# 50 505 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Lahrmann SS# 50 508 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Gerhardt SS# 53 771 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 3 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Otto Schäfer SS# 36 529 - (SS-Ostuf. - 19.06.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 3 -
SS-Sturmführer. Walter Wunderlich SS# 13 850 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 23 -
SS-Sturmbannführer. Martin Kleinschmid SS# 12 538 - (SS-Stubaf. - 15.05.1934.) (SS-Sthauptf. - 20.03.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 01.12.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 06.12.1931.)
beim Stab
SS-Obersturmführer. Dr. Georg Hübener SS# 166 837 - (SS-Ostuf. - 10.05.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Helmut Bousset SS# 27 497 - (SS-Stuf. - 10.05.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Paul Engel SS# 204 440 - (SS-Stuf. - 10.05.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Friedrich Baumann SS# 151 137 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.03.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Grandt SS# 1 003 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Nürnberger SS# 22 263 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Max Hofmann SS# 53 801 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Meitzner SS# 56 924 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. H. G. Schade SS# 57 044 - (SS-Stuf. - 10.05.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Ewald Henning SS# 72 619 - (SS-Stuf. - 10.05.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Friedrich Müller SS# ?? - (SS-Stuf. - 10.05.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 23 -
SS-Sturmführer. Max Thieme SS# 34 986 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 23 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Friedrich Schuster SS# 7 209 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.11.1933.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 23 -
SS-Sturmführer. Friedrich Müller SS# 217 478 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Süd: -
Oberstaffelführer.
- Dr. Waldemar Meyer -

* SS-Motorstandarte 1 -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Viktor Knapp SS# 31 411 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 12.06.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 01.03.1934.) (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Toni Weiß SS# 3 978 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 20.04.1933.) - see SS-Motorstandarte 1 z.b.V.
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Viktor Brack SS# 1 940 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 23.06.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Max Ostermaier SS# 63 959 - (SS-Stuf. - 31.07.1933.)
beim
SS-Obersturmführer. Hans Feierlein SS# 355 - (SS-Ostuf. - 12.08.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Mayr SS# 1 529 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Schmid SS# 1 703 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Greiderer SS# 1 735 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Martin Klotz SS# 2 228 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Diepold SS# 2 329 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Johann Bühler SS# 2 566 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Oswin Riegel SS# 2 840 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Steinbeisser SS# 2 854 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Albert Sigg SS# 23 557 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Josef Wagner SS# 37 580 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Max Müller - SS 37 612 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Setterl SS# 45 332 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Andreas Aichele SS# 77 473 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Josef Kagerer SS# 77 753 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** SS-Motorstandarte 1 z.b.V. -
- Toni Weiß SS# 3 978 - (SS-Stuf. - 16.08.1932.) (SS-Sthauptf. - 20.04.1933.) - see beim Stab SS-Motorstandarte 1
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 1 -
SS-Sturmbannführer. Georg Heckenberger SS# 32 892 - (SS-Stubaf. - 12.08.1934.) (SS-Sthauptf. - 01.12.1933.) (SS-Ostuf. - 31.07.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 30.01.1933.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 1 -
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Krüger SS# 25 273 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 9 -
- Dr. Waldemar Rosenhauer -
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Ditterich SS# 44 288 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Kemmer SS# 3 272 - (SS-Stuf. - 14.06.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Oechsner SS# 2 328 -
SS-Sturmführer. Willy Deeg SS# 1 568 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Kneitz SS# 2 206 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Hammes SS# 6 943 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Adelbert Erk SS# 34 535 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Zech SS# 102 426 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Höhn SS# 40 637 - (SS-Stuf. - 12.08.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 9 -
SS-Sturmführer. Georg Dallner SS# 32 926 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.08.1933.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 9 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Hans Schilling SS# 39 526 - (SS-Ostuf. - 12.08.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Südost: -
Oberstaffelführer.
- Erich Tschimpke -

* SS-Motorstandarte 6 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Erdman Skudlarek SS# 26 948 - (SS-Ostuf. - 04.07.1934.)
beim
SS-Obersturmführer. Hermann Scholz SS# 11 970 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.09.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Richard Tschanz SS# 5 576 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Herbert Peschke SS# 18 357 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Herbert Schönknecht SS# 40 112 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 6 -
SS-Sturmführer. Alfred Pilz SS# 16 160 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 6 -
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Nubisch SS# 47 146 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 6 -
SS-Sturmführer. Erich Moschner SS# 18 398 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 12 -
- Karl Radke -
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Richard Schultz SS# 180 136 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.04.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Althof Ludwig SS# 23 743 - (SS-Stuf. - 15.06.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 12 -
SS-Sturmführer. Gerhard Bahr SS# 48 595 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 12 -
SS-Sturmführer. Bruno Wernicke SS# 37 398 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 21 -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Erwin Tzschoppe SS# 11 965 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 26.05.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 28.02.1934.) (SS-Stuf. - 24.12.1932.)
SS-Sturmführer. Arthur Fischer SS# 47 112 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Kurt Ludewig SS# 41 438 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Ernst Hörner SS# 41 460 - (SS-Stuf. - 04.07.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 21 -
SS-Sturmführer. Helmut Altmann SS# 12 684 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 21 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Egon Dalsky SS# 18 286 - (SS-Ostuf. - 26.05.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 21 -
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Wrede SS# 12 762 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 24 -
SS-Oberscharführer. Scheppendal -
SS-Standartenführer. Reinhard Schwartzkopff SS# 6 016 - (SS-Staf -27.05.1934. ) (SS-Ostubaf.-20.04.1934. )(SS-Stubaf.- 09.11.1933.) (SS-Sthauptf.) (SS-Ostuf. ) (SS-Stuf.-11.12.1931.)
beim Stab
SS-Obersturmführer. Dr. Fritz Rawan SS# 58 533 - (SS-Ostuf. - 27.05.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Wystyrk SS# 471 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 24 -
SS-Sturmführer. Paul Thenelt SS# 81 550 - (SS-Stuf. - 27.05.1934.)

SS-Oberabschnitte Südwest: -
Oberstaffelführer.
- Willi Schmitt -

* SS-Motorstandarte 10 -
- Ernst Maurer -
SS-Obersturmführer. Max Schuster SS# 45 367 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.09.1934.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Jakob Steidle SS# 6 042 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Blecher SS# 4 954 - (SS-Stuf. - 24.08.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Rißmann SS# 5 695 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Alfred Heinrich Zehender SS# 34 571 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Schaal SS# 1 234 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Max Mailer SS# 2 525 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Hölzer SS# 2 580 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Krämer SS# 111 733 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 10 -
SS-Sturmführer. Eugen Gnad SS# 24 480 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 10 -
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Boelter SS# 55 298 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 10 -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Heinrich Petri SS# 5 219 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.09.1932.)(SS-Sthauptf. - 31.07.1933.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 19 -
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Pister SS# 29 892 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Zimmermann SS# 2 563 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Adolf Bally SS# 11 171 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Kappus SS# 6 279 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Denz SS# 104 886 - (SS-Stuf. - 25.03.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Dussinger SS# 1 712 - (SS-Stuf. - 25.03.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Ludwig Bechtold SS# 2 526 - (SS-Stuf. - 25.03.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Albert Gommel SS# 2 916 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Eugen Fuller SS# 17 397 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Theodor Wick SS# 32 589 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Sebastian Vital SS# 41 280 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Otto Walter SS# 58 571 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 19 -
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Schneider SS# 2 561 - (SS-Stuf. - 25.03.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 19 -
SS-Sturmführer. August Schnurr SS# 7 799 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 19 -
SS-Sturmführer. Albert Mutz SS# 2 290 - (SS-Stuf. - 01.12.1933.)

SS-Oberabschnitte West: -
Oberstaffelführer.
- Kaspar König -

* SS-Motorstandarte 5 -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Martin Knellesen SS# 6 923 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 30.04.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 24.12.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 09.11.1932.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Wilhelm Böing SS# 2 955 - (SS-Sturmhauptf. - 24.12.1932.)
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Karl Mehrmann SS# 58 508 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
beim
SS-Obersturmführer. Gustav Bolton SS# 7 507 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.11.1933.)
SS-Obersturmführer. Wilhelm Ferlings SS# 3 420 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.09.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Lambert SS# 724 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Dick SS# 1 624 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Giesecke SS# 1 903 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Heinrich Klerk SS# 2 557 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Eugen Schneider SS# 2 647 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Ewald Müller SS# 2 695 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Edmund Lüttgen SS# 2 907 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Michiels SS# 12 329 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Fritz Buchheister SS# 28 073 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Weitz SS# 39 646 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 5 -
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Wolf SS# 42 808 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 5 -
SS-Sturmführer. Josef Dorn SS# 20 626 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 11 -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Walter Moreth SS# 8 767 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 22.03.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 09.11.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 24.12.1932.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Götz SS# 24 116 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Reinhold Rühle SS# 58 511 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1933.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Karl Gotz SS# 24 116 -
SS-Sturmführer. Hermann Wolf SS# 2 202 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Ferdinand Zehender SS# 2 224 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Paul Hellwing SS# 2 716 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Willy Herz SS# 9 486 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 11 -
SS-Sturmführer. Kurt Stoll SS# 26 398 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 11 -
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Rudolf Freiherr von Geyr SS# 2 743 - (SS-Sthauptf. - 09.09.1934.) (SS-Ostuf. - 03.09.1933.) (SS-Stuf. - 10.12.1930.)

* SS-Motorstandarte 25 -
SS-Obersturmbannführer. Wilhelm Blum SS# 8 005 - (SS-Ostubaf. - 20.03.1934.)(SS-Stubaf. - 09.11.1933.) (SS-Sthauptf. - 24.12.1932.) (SS-Ostuf.) (SS-Stuf. - 02.09.1931.)
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Micklett SS# 37 237 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Siegfried Hoyer SS# 18 840 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Ferdinand Uhrmann SS# 22 861 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
SS-Sturmführer. Franz Desmettre SS# 39 020 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 1 / SS-Motorstandarte 25 -
SS-Sturmführer. Theodor Passehl SS# 6 702 - (SS-Stuf. - 03.09.1933.)
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 25 -
SS-Sturmführer. Frierich Schwenn SS# 41 689 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
** 3 / SS-Motorstandarte 25 -
SS-Sturmführer. Godd von Bockum-Dolffs SS# 42 851 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)

Any additions or corrections welcome
Brian

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Motorstandarten

Post by Shane A Beaver » 27 Jan 2008 11:50

Colossal effort BB-WA - all contributions gratefully received!

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Post by BB-WA » 27 Jan 2008 13:49

Post subject: Motorstandarten

Some questions

(1) - The SS-Motorstandarten was reduced in size and reorganised sometime around 1935/1936 from 30 to 14 Standarten due to falling numbers in personnel. Can anyone tell me where these were located before the reorginization. SS-Motorstandarten 28, 29 and 30 unknown location?

and

(2) - What became of SS-Motorstandarten 8 in the re-organization and / or why is it missing from the list below?

SS-Motorstandarten list for 31.12.1937.: -

SS-Oberabschnitte Elbe - HQ Dresden
SS-Motorstandarte 6 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 6 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 6 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Fulda Werra - HQ Arolsen
SS-Motorstandarte 2 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 2 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 2 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Main - HQ Nürnberg
SS-Motorstandarte 12 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 12 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 12 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Mitte - HQ Braunschweig
SS-Motorstandarte 11 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 11 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 11 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Nord - HQ Stettin
SS-Motorstandarte 13 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 13 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 13 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Nordost - HQ Königsberg
SS-Motorstandarte 7 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 7 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 7 -
3 / SS-Motorstandarte 7 -

SS-Oberabschnitte Nordwest - HQ Braunschweig
SS-Motorstandarte 4 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 4 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 4 -
3 / SS-Motorstandarte 4 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Ost - HQ Berlin
SS-Motorstandarte 3 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 3 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 3 -
3 / SS-Motorstandarte 3 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Rhein - HQ Wiesbaden
SS-Motorstandarte 14 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 14 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 14 -


SS-Oberabschnitte Süd - HQ München
SS-Motorstandarte -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 1 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 1 -

SS-Oberabschnitte Südost - HQ Breslau
SS-Motorstandarte 9 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 9 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 9 -

SS-Oberabschnitte Südwest - HQ Stuttgart
SS-Motorstandarte 10 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 10 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 10 -
3 / SS-Motorstandarte 10 -

SS-Oberabschnitte West - HQ Düsseldorf
SS-Motorstandarte 5 -
1 / SS-Motorstandarte 5 -
2 / SS-Motorstandarte 5 -
3 / SS-Motorstandarte 5 -

Thanks for any replies
Brian

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Post by Derek » 27 Jan 2008 17:48

Brian,
Motoreinheit 8 was situated in Linz/Wien, Austria (came under Donau); so was not included in the lists until after annexation in 1938.
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Post by Derek » 27 Jan 2008 19:32

Brian,
No to confuse things, although those SS organisers seemed intent on it, from 1938 to 1945 the motor units were restructured once more into 19 units and they were then referred to as: SS-Kraftfahrstürme.
The listing of these and their locations are in the back of the 1944 Dienstalterlist. If you don't have it I will scan the relevant section and post it for you.
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Post by BB-WA » 28 Jan 2008 05:22

Post subject:

Hi Derek

Thanks for the info. I agree the "SS organizers" do seem intent on confusing the situation not only here but elsewhere throughout the SS especially in the earlier years with many re-structures across the board. It would be appreciated if you could scan the relevant 1944 DAL pages "re. SS-Kraftfahrstürme" as I'm sure many will appreciate the information.

thanks
Brian

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Post by Derek » 29 Jan 2008 03:13

Here you are Brian.
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Post by BB-WA » 30 Jan 2008 14:52

Hi Derek
Thanks for the post of relevant 1944 DAL pages "re. SS-Kraftfahrstürme"

Some more questions -
(1) From what I can gather from Phil Nix's scans at the begining of the post (ss motor1.jpg and ss motor2.jpg) of the setting up of the Motoreinheit (Standarten) signed by Ernst Röhm there were SA and SS units set up at the same time. Bearing in mind the SS was still technically part of the SA at this stage. So would my interpretation of the documents below be correct. My German is a bit basic so its hard to fully understand in depth. Even if I could cut and paste the text I think Google Translate would have a hard time with the original text on the document!

Gruppenstaffelführer. (SA - Overall SA Commander ?) - (if so Who ?)

Reichsstaffelführer der SS - (Overall SS Commander ?) - (if so Who ?)
Inspektion Kommandiert, Reichsstaffelführer der SS
00.00.0000. - 00.00.0000. - Major. a.D. Hasner or Hafner -

Inspekteur für Motorstürm u. Staffeln der SA und SS - Inspector for SS /SA Motorised Units -
(Inspection lies in the hands of 15.05.1931. - 00.00.0000. - Major. a.D. Hünlein stellv führer NSKK ) - (was this Adolf Hünlein the later NSKK Korpsführer ?)

Both Hasner or Hafner and Hünlein appear to be retired Army officers but not with SA or SS rank why? who were they?

(2) Regarding 1944 DAL pages "re. SS-Kraftfahrstürme"
Was SS-Kraftfahrsturm 18 ever formed and if so where - or was it disbanded before the 1944 DAL?

and
I now have two SS-Kraftfahrsturm 14 on my list

1938. - 1943. - (This period would be after the SS-Motoreinheit (Standarten) became the SS-Kraftfahrsturm)
SS-Kraftfahrsturm 14 - Bingen / Kaiserslautern - b. SS-Oa "Rhein" - on 11.09.1943, SS-Oa "Rhein" and SS-Oa "Westmark" merged to form SS-Oa "Rhein / Westmark"
1943. - 1945. - (This period would be after SS-Oa Rhein became SS-Oa Rhein / Westmark in 1943)
SS-Kraftfahrsturm 14 - Frankfurt-am-Main / Wiesbaden-Biebrich / Pirmasens - b. SS-Oa "Rhein / Westmark" - formed on on 11.09.1943, with the merger of SS-Oa "Rhein" and SS-Oa "Westmark"

So what happened to Bingen / Kaiserslautern were they just absorbed in the restructure or disbanded when it happened?

Thanks for any replies
Brian

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Re: Martin Knellessen

Post by Mikedc » 17 Jul 2009 15:33

I've read this thread with a lot of interest and I've a question.

I've started a thread about Martin Knellessen(I see here that his name is spelled as Knellesen)and I would like to know if somebody knows what the following means.
M.d.Führung Mo/II/25./Gruppe West: 11.1932
b.m.5.Mo-Stand./SS-Oberabschnitt West: 04.1934
F.Mo.III./5: [01.07.1935]

I also have a questions regarding a promotiondate.
In my thread Phil says he was promoted to Hauptsturmführer on 20-4-34 but here I see Sturmhauptführer. I know this is the same and I know that at a certain point Sturmhauptführer was renamed Hauptsturmführer but I wanna know if that was before 20-4-34 or after......

Hope somebody can help me with this because I don't mind confusion(the whole structure of the SS is confusing most of the time)but if possible I wanna write it all down correctly.

Thanks,
Mike

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