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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Phil Nix » 01 Feb 2010 13:27

Walter Sendowski (this spelling used in the 1935 Dal ) Usf 24.12.33 Osf 9.11 34 Hsf 20.4.35 Führer Motor III/7 1935 I would suggest he left or died 1936
Boy Petersen is shown as Usf 20.4.34 and during 1938 he was SS Führer z.V. Oa Nordwest Shown in Waffen SS Rank list for July 1944 as Hsf der Reserve 9.11.43 and pomoted Sbf der Reserve 30.1.45
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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by radevich » 01 Feb 2010 13:43

33 455 Petersen, Johann (Boy) Born: 03.11.1909 in Flensburg. Party Nr 1019552
Usf 20.4.1934
z.V.Oa Nordwest 1938
SS-Hstuf.d.R.: 09.11.1943; Nachsch.9: 11.1943
Stubaf.d.R.: 30.01.1945 13.Waffen-Geb.-Div.
lb,13.Waffen-Geb.Div.: 1945

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by BB-WA » 02 Feb 2010 04:24

Hi Phil Mike and Radevich
Thanks for the additions and info in the last few posts. I have finally gone through the full list and these are some more I found.

An addition
SS-Motorstandarte 13
beim
SS-Sturmführer. ? von Klosowski SS# 8 976 - (Stuf 20.04.34, [Ostuf 00.00.00]) - his name is Werner

A deletion
SS-Motorstandarte 26
SS-Sturmhauptführer. Constantin Heldmann SS# 59 138 - This entry doesn't belong on the list as he was
01.10.1934. - 01.10.1935. - Führer, 22. SS-Standarte "Mecklenburg" - HQ Schwerin

I have two spellings for his name but same SS#. Which is correct?
** 2 Sturmbann / SS-Motorstandarte 6 -
SS-Sturmführer. Wilhelm Nubisch SS# 47 146 - 1934 DAL
or
Wilhelm Niebisch SS# 47 146 - http://www.dws-xip.pl/reich/biografie/numer47.html

I have two spellings for his name but same SS#. Which is correct?
* SS-Motorstandarte 2
SS-Sturmführer. Franz Reinhold SS# 16 425 - 1934 DAL
or
Franz Reinholdt SS# 16 425 - http://www.dws-xip.pl/reich/biografie/numer16.html

Same SS# different name found
SS-Motorstandarte 6
beim
SS-Obersturmführer. Hermann Scholz SS# 11 970 - (Stuf 24.12.32, Ostuf 09.09.34) - 1934 DAL
and
Franz Schönerstadt SS# 11 970 - http://www.dws-xip.pl/reich/biografie/numer11.html

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Phil Nix » 02 Feb 2010 12:47

Werner von Klosowski Party Nr118113 SS Nr 8976 Beim Stammabt 39 1938 Osf 20.4.39 IK1 Wound Badge Silver both WW 1
Wilhelm Niebisch is correct beim Stammabt 16 1938 Usf 20.4.34 Osf 20.4.35Party Nr 1395769
Franz Reinholdt born 12.8.1888 Party Nr 422695 Usf 7.6.34 Odsf 20.4.35 Hsf 20.4.36 Sbf 20.4.37 Obsbf 20.4.39 Führer Pi Nr 3 1938
There is no further trace of Schönerstadt
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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by BB-WA » 04 Feb 2010 04:08

Hi Phil
Thanks for the information and Franz Reinholdt's additional promotion dates.

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Mikedc » 09 Feb 2010 13:38

Brian wrote:
* SS-Motorstandarte 9 -
- Dr. Waldemar Rosenhauer -
Dr. Waldemar Rosenhauer.
Member NSDAP(nr. 1.321.637).
Member Allgemeine-SS(nr. 55.188).
He got promoted to SS-Sturmführer on 9-11-1933.
He got promoted to SS-Obersturmführer on 1-3-1934.
From March 1934 till 1-4-1935 he was commander from 9. SS-Motor-Standarte.

Brian wrote:
* SS-Motorstandarte 9 -
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Hans Oechsner SS# 2 328 -
SS-Sturmführer. Adelbert Erk
Hans Oechsner
NSDAP(nr. 178.602).
Allgemeine-SS(nr. 2.328).
Got promoted to SS-Sturmführer on 31-7-1933.

Adalbert, so not Adelbert, Erk
NSDAP(nr. 19.538).


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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by BB-WA » 10 Feb 2010 06:35

Hi Mike

Thanks for the info on Dr. Waldemar Rosenhauer's start and finish dates. Rosenhauer was succeeded by
SS-Motorstandarte 9
01.04.1935. - 01.11.1936. - SS-Sturmbannführer. Erich Tschimpke SS# 40 065 - (m.d.W.d.G.b.) - (Mann 30.07.32, Htruppf 00.00.00, Stuf 20.04.33, Ostuf 09.11.33, Shauptf 18.03.34, Stubaf 09.11.34, Ostubaf 30.01.36, Staf 30.01.38, [Obf.u.Obf.d.W-SS. 19.09.42]) - zug. 09.11.1933. - 01.11.1936, Oberstaffelführer , SS-Oberabschnitte Südost - Trans. as Referent I / Motor, beim SS-Oberabschnitte Südost

Adalbert Erk - correction noted "so not Adelbert".
Adalbert Erk SS# 34 535 - (Stuf 20.04.34) - sorry nothing else

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Mikedc » 10 Feb 2010 18:53

Hello Brian,
Don't know if it's totally correct but apparently the 9. SS-Motor-Standarte was disbanded on 1-11-1936.
Regarding Tschimpke, he also served with 16. SS-Standarte between 30-7-1932 and 20-4-1933. And from 20-4-1933 till 12-9-1933 he was commander from the Motorstaffel within the 6. SS-Standarte. From 12-9-1933 till 9-11-1933 he ws commander from the Motorstaffel within SS-Gruppe 'West'.

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by BB-WA » 13 Feb 2010 05:24

Hi Mike

Erich Tschimpke (bio by Phil Nix) Thanks Phil
30.07.1932. - 20.04.1933. - beim 16. SS-Standarte "Unterelbe", Breslau -
20.04.1933. - 12.09.1933. - Motorstaffelführer, beim 6. SS-Standarte "Eduard Felsen", Berlin -
12.09.1933. - 09.11.1933. - Oberstaffelführer, SS-Gruppe West, Düsseldorf -
09.11.1933. - 01.11.1936. - Oberstaffelführer, SS-Oberabschnitte Südost, Breslau -
01.04.1935. - 01.11.1936. - SS-Motorstandarte 9, ?? - beim SS-Oberabschnitte Süd, München - Disbanded on 01.11.1936, in the restructure.
01.11.1936. - 15.11.1938. - Referent I / Motor, beim SS-Oberabschnitte Südost, Breslau -

From the information above on Tschimpke, SS-Motorstandarte 9 was disbanded 01.11.1936 in a restructure. Looking at earlier posts on the topic this is said to have "possibly" occurred late 1935 / early 1936. Unless the restructure was staggered, which I doubt, as it would be difficult for communications if you had same numbered SS-Motorstandarten in different locations.

SS-Motorstandarte 9, for example was based at ?? in SS-Oberabschnitte Süd, München. After the restructure it was based in SS-Oberabschnitte Südost, Breslau. Maybe the restructure didn't occur until late October / early November 1936, as indicated by the Tschimpke bio. If anyone could clarify the date of the restructure from a period document it would be greatly appreciated.

Between April 1935 (12,265 personnel) to December 1936 (4,561 personnel) there was a loss of 7,704 personnel who had been transferred to other SS postings. After the restructure the SS-Motorstandarten had shrunk from 30 to 14. Now with only 1 SS-Motorstandarte with 2 / 3 Sturmbann - attached to each SS-Oberabschnitte.

As for Tschimpke's posting as "Referent I / Motor, beim SS-Oberabschnitte Südost" I don't know if this also made him the Führer of the new SS-Motorstandarte 9, or, he just served in an administrative / liaison role solely within SS-Oberabschnitte Südost?

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Mikedc » 14 Feb 2010 13:18

Brian wrote:
* SS-Motorstandarte 12 -
- Karl Radke -
Karl Radke
NSDAP: 1.070.537
SS: 57.137
SS-Sturmführer: 9-11-1933
SS-Obersturmführer: 26-5-1934
SS-Sturmhauptführer: 15-6-1934
Commander from 12. SS-Motor-Standarte

Brian wrote:
* SS-Motorstandarte 12 -
beim Stab
SS-Sturmführer. Dr. Richard Schultz SS# 180 136 - (SS-Stuf. - 09.04.1934.)
This has to be Dr. Richard Schultze, so with an 'e' on the end.
NSDAP-nr. : 616.845


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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Mikedc » 14 Feb 2010 18:04

Biran wrote:
* SS-Motorstandarte 13 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Walter Ellermeier SS# - (SS-Ostuf. - 17.06.1934.)
Walter Ellermeier
Born on 12-7-1906 in Berlin-Schöneburg
NSDAP: 289.093
SS-Sturmführer: 12-4-1934
SS-Oberführer: 21-6-1944
Adjudant from W. Lorenz within the Hauptamt from the VoMi.

Brian wrote:
An addition
SS-Motorstandarte 13
beim
SS-Sturmführer. ? von Klosowski SS# 8 976 - (Stuf 20.04.34, [Ostuf 00.00.00]) - his name is Werner
His name is indeed Werner von Klosowski or Werner von Klossowski. See for more info, and the other spelling, the following link:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ki#p964504


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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Mikedc » 14 Feb 2010 22:00

Brian wrote:
* SS-Motorstandarte 14 -
beim
SS-Sturmführer. Adolf Speckles SS# 32 160 - (SS-Stuf. - 20.04.1934.)
Just a small typing-error, its not Speckles but Speckels.
NSDAP: 983.230

Brian wrote:
** 2 / SS-Motorstandarte 14 -
SS-Obersturmführer. Wilhelm Ruhe SS# 3 736 - (SS-Ostuf. - 09.11.1933.)
Wilhelm Ruhe
NSDAP: 289.855
Got promoted to SS-Sturmführer on 15-1-1932
From 10-9-1932 till ?? he was CO from I. Sturm with III. Sturmbann from 19. SS-Standarte


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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by radevich » 15 Feb 2010 10:49

Karl Radke

Ostuf.d.R.: 30.01.1945 SS-Kraftf.-AuE-Rgt.

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by radevich » 15 Feb 2010 11:17

Walter Ellermeier

SS-NR.: 46 668

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Re: Motorstandarten

Post by Phil Nix » 15 Feb 2010 12:50

radevich wrote:Walter Ellermeier

SS-NR.: 46 668
Usf 12.4.34 Osf 17.6.34 Hsf 20.4.35 Sbf 20.4.36 Obsbf 12.9.37 Staf 11.9.38 Of 21.6.44 beim Stab RFSS 1938
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