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KdS Krakau

Post by Minotauros » 30 Jul 2008 10:36

Hi!

Who was Der Kommandeur der Sicherheitspolizei und des Sicherheitsdienst für den Distrikt Krakau between 1939 and 1945?
Please, note the difference between the Befehlshaber der Sicherheitspolizei und des Sicherheitsdienst in Generalgouvernement (or BdS Generalgouvernement, called also BdS Krakau with HQ in Kraków) and the KdS Krakau.

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by Marek » 30 Jul 2008 22:36

Hi,

KdS in Krakau were (with their last ranks):

SS-Sturmbannführer Bruno Müller (september '39 - november '39)
SS-Standartenführer Walther Huppenkothen (november '39 - february '40)
SS-Standartenführer Ludwig Hahn (february '40 - august '41)
SS-Obersturmbannführer Max Grosskopf ('41 - '43)
SS-Obersturmbannführer Rudolf Batz ('43 - '45)

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by Minotauros » 01 Aug 2008 09:46

Dzięki Marku! :)

But as far as I know, Dr. BATZ, Dr. GROSSKOPF, Dr. HAHN and Dr. HUPPENKOTHEN were all KdS Generalgouvernement and not KdS Krakau.

Is it possible that KdS Generalgouvernement and KdS Krakau was the same institution?

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by Marek » 01 Aug 2008 23:26

Well, I know nothing about something like KdS Generalgouvernment. Something like that can be said about BdS Generalgouvernment. According to the book "Gestapowcy" by Józef Bratko, which is the monography of Krakow's KdS headquarters (Der Kommandeur der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD im Distrikt Krakau, Pomorska 2 strasse), the KdS were Müller, Huppenkothen, Hahn, Grosskopf, and Batz.

By the way, were did you find such a name as KdS Generalgouvernment?

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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 01 Aug 2008 23:54

There never was a KdS Generalgouvernement, only a BdS Generalgouvernement.
The BdS was the most senior SIPO and SD commander in an occupied territory or country, and the KdS a commander of the SIPO and SD, was his representative on a local level depending the size of territory or country.

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by filigranofil » 01 Jun 2014 23:12

Hello,

one statement from Dr. Helmut Glaser (after War) about KdS Krakau...

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by GregSingh » 03 Jun 2014 08:02

Marek's info in the post #2 is correct. These are KdS Krakau.

BdS Generalgouvernement were:
SS-Brigadeführer Bruno Streckenbach (1 Nov 1939-14 Jan 1941)
SS-Oberführer Eberhard Schöngarth (14 Jan 1941-Jun 1943)
Dr. Walter Bierkamp (Jun 1943-Feb 1945)

And KdS Generalgouvernment did not exist. :lol:
If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by George_W » 03 Jun 2014 14:03

Hello Darko,

Many thanks for posting the document.
Do you maybe have any other informations or statements of dr Glaser?
What were the charges against him?

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George

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by filigranofil » 04 Jun 2014 00:35

Hello George,

as you know, there are 24 pages of Dr. Glaser statement in Archiv of Slovenia.
link: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 33&start=0

I suppose that this copy, which I put on Forum, is Page 8 (unfortunately on the Copy is not add source) of this 24 pages.

About charges against Dr. Glaser:

In the Book: Alfred Elste, Michael Koschat, Hanzi Filipic: NS Österreich auf der Anklagebank. Anatomie eines politischen Schauprocess im kommunistischen Slowenien, Mohorjeva zalozba 2000, is also charges against Dr. Glaser.

On the Trial against Dr. Friedrich Rainer, Dr. Helmut Glaser, Ludwig Kübler, Hans von Hösslin, Heinrich Christl, Hans Fleckner, Günther Neubert, Josef Vogt, Dr. Herman Doujak, Dr. Franz Hradetzky, Dr. Walter Hochsteiner, Leo Kuss, Reinhold Gerlach and Franz Müller was on 1947 in Ljubljana. There were sentenced to death with hanging: Rainer, Kübler, Fleckner, Vogt, Hochsteiner, Gerlach and Müller); with shooting: Glaser, Hösslin, Christl, Neubert and Kuss.
Dr. Hermann Doujak was sentenced for 18 years of Jail. He got amnesty on 1952 and given to austrian authority.
Dr. Franz Hradetzky was sentenced for 16 years of Jail. He got amnesty on 1952 and given to austrian authority.


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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by George_W » 04 Jun 2014 01:21

Hello Darko,

Thank you very much for the sources, i'll try to find the book.

I have one more question:
From the other thread: "Dr. Helmut Glaser wurde von den Alliierten als Kriegsverbrecher an die jugoslawischen Behörden übergegeben. Im Gerichtsprozess gegen Dr. Friedrich Rainer und anderen im Juli 1947 wurde Dr. Glaser zum Tode verurteilt und die Todesstrafe wurde dann auch vollstreckt".

Do you maybe know how dr Glaser and Josef Vogt found themselves in Yugoslavian captivity?
Were they handed over by the US or British authorities?

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George

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by filigranofil » 04 Jun 2014 08:43

Hello George,

Yugoslav State Commission for potential war criminals had on lists 2.062 Austrian citizens and 4.433 Germans (also Italians, but I do not know how many).
Situation on the end of the Year 1947:
"Americans hand over only 33 from the list of 205 and Great Britain only 128 from the list of 226 potential war crimes."
(Böhme, Kurt: Die deutschen Kriegsgefangenen in Jugoslawien 1949-1953 (= Zur Geschichte der deutschen Kriegsgefangenen des Zweiten Weltkrieges, hg. von Erich Maschke, München 1964).

Dr. Glaser was from British internment camp in Wolfsberg extradicted to Yugoslav authorities.
Vogt was on 15.3. 1947 extradicted to Yugoslavia from Allies authorities.

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Photo from the Book: A. Elste, M. Koschat, H. Filipic: Nacistična Avstrija na zatožni klopi..., Mohorjeva 2002

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Darko

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by George_W » 04 Jun 2014 15:42

Hello Darko,

Many thanks.
I found also very good material about Gestapo in Maribor, there are many informations about Lurker, Vogt and Stage
and the trial in Ljubljana (you can download it from the website):
http://dkum.uni-mb.si/IzpisGradiva.php?id=43948

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George

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by filigranofil » 04 Jun 2014 19:37

Hello George,

this diploma Work from Uni Maribor brings nothing new.
Allmost all Data is compendium, compilation of Thesis Works of Dr. Dusan Biber, Dr. Tone Ferenc, Dr. Gustin Damijan and former officer of Army investigation agency Karl Forte.

Additional two Pages from Dr. Glaser statement about Krakau/ Kraków situation for your research (there is no more :wink: )

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by George_W » 04 Jun 2014 20:13

Hello Darko,

Thanks!
Are there more photos of Dr.Glaser or Vogt in this book (Nacistična Avstrija na zatožni...)?

George

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Re: KdS Krakau

Post by filigranofil » 04 Jun 2014 22:57

Hello George,

there are 18 Photos in the book from trial, but there are not in enough high Quality to see People in second raw or on the end of raw. Book is also in German language.
All Photos are from Muzej novejse zgodovine Slovenije, Foto: Bozo Stajer
Also Vogt is on Photos.

Regards
Darko

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