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Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby radevich » 06 Mar 2009 10:30

Help to find the information.

Who was Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk.

I know only Walter Abraham: 00.04.1943 - 01.10.1943

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Phil Nix » 06 Mar 2009 12:54

KdO Minsk
Eberhard Herf 12.41 - 16.2.42
Erik von Heimburg 16.2.42 - 30.7.42
Johann Klepsch 30.7.42 - 4.1943
Walter Abraham 4.1943 - 1.10.1943
Johann Klepsch 1.10.1943 - 31.12.1943
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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Minotauros » 06 Mar 2009 14:48

I have a slightly different data about this subject:

Kommandeur der Ordnungspolizei in Weissruthenien (Minsk)

Major der Schutzpolizei Otto SOKOLOWSKI
1 IX 1941 – X 1941

SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Eberhard HERF
X 1941 – 28 II 1942

Oberst der Schutzpolizei Erik von HEIMBURG
1 III 1942 – X 1942

SS-Standartenführer (21 VI 1943) und Oberst der Schutzpolizei Johann KLEPSCH
X 1942 – IV 1943

Oberst der Schutzpolizei Walter ABRAHAM
IV 1943 – 1 X 1943

SS-Standartenführer und Oberst der Schutzpolizei Johann KLEPSCH
1 X 1943 – 31 XII 1943
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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Dieter Zinke » 06 Mar 2009 15:25

I have a slightly different data about this subject too:
Minotauros wrote:I have a slightly different data about this subject:

Kommandeur der Ordnungspolizei in Weissruthenien (Minsk)

Major der Schutzpolizei Otto SOKOLOWSKI
1 IX 1941 – X 1941

SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Eberhard HERF
X 1941 – 28 II 1942

Oberst der Schutzpolizei Erik von HEIMBURG
16.02.1942 - 30.07.1942
Dienstantritt in Minsk: 06.03.1942 (commencement of duties)

SS-Standartenführer (21 VI 1943) und Oberst der Schutzpolizei Johann KLEPSCH
X 1942 – IV 1943

Oberst der Schutzpolizei Walter ABRAHAM
IV 1942 – 1 X 1943
I have Abraham only as Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk (00.04.1943 - 01.10.1943)


SS-Standartenführer und Oberst der Schutzpolizei Johann KLEPSCH
1 X 1942 – 31 XII 1943

SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Eberhard HERF
02.08.1943 - 01.02.1944 erneut
(again) Kommandeur der Ordnungspolizei (KdO) in Minsk

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Polizei51 » 06 Mar 2009 18:47

I think the original question should have been:

Who was Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei for Stadtgebiete Minsk?

All the answers given were for the Kommandeur der Ordnungpolizei Generalbezirk Weißruthenien based in Minsk, not for the Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei for Stadtgebiete Minsk. Correct me if I am wrong, but these two titles are different positions within the police hierarchy in Generalbezirk Weißruthenien.

I have for the Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei for the Stadtgebiete Minsk of Hauptbezirk Minsk =
Hptm. der Sch.Walter Bendzko

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Alex » 06 Mar 2009 19:22

KdSchupo Minsk was Major d. Schupo Kurt BENDZKO.

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby radevich » 07 Mar 2009 13:30

Thank you for information.

But I have some questions:

1. Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei for Stadtgebiete Minsk it Walter or Kurt Bendzko? There is an additional information on him?

2. What time of service on this post at BENDZKO?
3. Who else held this post?

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Ignacio » 07 Mar 2009 18:05

Oberst dSchP. Johann Klepsch was appointed KdO beim SSPF in Weissruthenien per order of the RFSSuChdDtPol dated 24.07.42. He took over the post (Dienstantritt) on 08.08.42. He succeeded von Heimburg, who was transferred to Hamburg by another order dated 24.07.42 too.

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Alex » 07 Mar 2009 19:15

Kurt Bendzko was KdSchupo Minsk Jan 1942 - March 1944, Sept 1941 - Jan 1942 - Major d. Schupo Krumbiegel.

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby BB-WA » 08 Mar 2009 10:47

From the previous posts would the KdS structure look like this. The KdS posts were confusing for me and this is what I came up with. Hope my questions can be answered as well.

Kommandeur der Ordnungpolizei Generalbezirk Weißruthenien - HQ Minsk.: -
Established.: - 01.09.1941. -
Disbanded.: - 02/03. 1944. -

Kommandeur der Ordnungpolizei Generalbezirk Weißruthenien - HQ Minsk.: - beim, SSPF Weißruthenien
02.08.1943. - 01.02.1944. - SS-Brigadeführer u. GenMaj.d.Pol. Eberhard Herf SS# 411 970 -
00.04.1943. - 01.10.1943. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Walter Abraham SS# 474 730 -
24.07.1942. - 00.04.1943. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Johann Klepsch SS# 458 051 - (Staf.u.Oberst.d.Schupo 21.06.43) - (per Befehl RFSSuChdDtPol 24.07.1942, Dienstantritt [actually commenced duties] 08.08.1942)
16.02.1942. - 30.07.1942. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Erik von Heimburg SS# 337 729 - (Brif.u.GenMaj.d.Pol. 09.11.42) - (Dienstantritt [actually commenced duties] 06.03.1942, then per Befehl RFSSuChdDtPol 24.07.1942, Hamburg) - Trans. to Hamburg
00.10.1941. - 28.02.1942. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Eberhard Herf SS# 411 970 - (Brif.u.GenMaj.d.Pol. 30.01.42) - Trans. as KdO Charkow
01.09.1941. - 00.10.1941. - Major.d.Schupo. Otto Skolowski -

Supervision upon.: -
Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei für Stadtgebiete Minsk beim, Hauptbezirk Minsk.: -
00.01.1942. - 00.03.1944. - Major.d.Schupo. Kurt Bendzko - (or Hauptm.d.Schupo.)
00.09.1941. - 00.01.1942. - Major.d.Schupo. Krumbiegel -

I can see it was attached to SSPF Weißruthenien for operations but which BdO did it come under Ostland or Ukraine?

Dieter says "SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Eberhard HERF 02.08.1943 - 01.02.1944 erneut (again)" - does this mean he was appointed then but didn't take up duties until October 1943 as Abraham is KdO until 01.10.1943?

Thanks for any comments or corrections.

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Dieter Zinke » 08 Mar 2009 12:15

As the result I see two remaining problems:

At first:
My co-author - our moderator Andreas Schulz - has SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Eberhard HERF "erneut (again)" as "Kommandeur der Ordnungspolizei (KdO)" in Minsk (02.08.1943 - 01.02.1944).
These data are conflicting with SS-Standartenführer und Oberst der Schutzpolizei Johann KLEPSCH
for the period 1 X 1942 – 31 XII 1943

Second remark:
Andreas Schulz has
Oberst der Schutzpolizei Walter ABRAHAM as Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk
IV 1942 – 1 X 1943.
Maybe this is not applicable !! (misapprehension, misunderstanding in the personal file).
Indeed it seems, that Abraham was instead of that KdO (=Kommandeur der Ordnungspolizei)

Apart from that Brian is correct !!

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby BB-WA » 08 Mar 2009 14:33

Deiter

Thanks for the info and I've revised the list, hopefully correct this time.

As the result I see two remaining problems:

At first:
My co-author - our moderator Andreas Schulz - has SS-Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Polizei Eberhard HERF "erneut (again)" as "Kommandeur der Ordnungspolizei (KdO)" in Minsk (02.08.1943 - 01.02.1944).
These data are conflicting with SS-Standartenführer und Oberst der Schutzpolizei Johann KLEPSCH
for the period 1 X 1942 – 31 XII 1943


Going by your reply as I understand it - 02.08.1943. - 01.02.1944. - SS-Brif.u.GenMaj.d.Pol. Eberhard Herf - wasn't there is this correct. Could you tell his post at this time?

Which BdO did it come under Ostland or Ukraine? anyone?

Kommandeur der Ordnungpolizei Generalbezirk Weißruthenien - HQ Minsk.: -
Established.: - 01.09.1941. -
Disbanded.: - 02/03. 1944. - so this should read 31.12.1943 - yes?

Kommandeur der Ordnungpolizei Generalbezirk Weißruthenien - HQ Minsk.: - beim, SSPF Weißruthenien
01.10.1943. - 31.12.1943. - SS-Standartenführer. u. Oberst.d.Schupo Johann Klepsch SS# 458 051 -
00.04.1943. - 01.10.1943. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Walter Abraham SS# 474 730 -
24.07.1942. - 00.04.1943. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Johann Klepsch SS# 458 051 - (Staf.u.Oberst.d.Schupo 21.06.43) - (per Befehl RFSSuChdDtPol 24.07.1942, Dienstantritt [actually commenced duties] 08.08.1942)
16.02.1942. - 30.07.1942. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Erik von Heimburg SS# 337 729 - (Brif.u.GenMaj.d.Pol. 09.11.42) - (Dienstantritt [actually commenced duties] 06.03.1942, then per Befehl RFSSuChdDtPol 24.07.1942, Hamburg) - Trans. to Hamburg
00.10.1941. - 28.02.1942. - Oberst.d.Schupo. Eberhard Herf SS# 411 970 - (Brif.u.GenMaj.d.Pol. 30.01.42) - Trans. as KdO Charkow
01.09.1941. - 00.10.1941. - Major.d.Schupo. Otto Skolowski -

Supervision upon.: -
Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei für Stadtgebiete Minsk beim, Hauptbezirk Minsk.: -
00.01.1942. - 00.03.1944. - Major.d.Schupo. Kurt Bendzko - (or Hauptm.d.Schupo.)
00.09.1941. - 00.01.1942. - Major.d.Schupo. Krumbiegel -

Thanks for any comments or corrections.

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Polizei51 » 09 Mar 2009 03:06

At the time Generalbezirk Weißruthenien came under the BdO Ostland in Riga.

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby Polizei51 » 09 Mar 2009 03:43

The KdO also controlled and supervised an SS-undPol.Geb located at the Kreisgebiet level.

In 1942 there were the following KdSchp. in Generalbezirk Weißruthenien :

Stadtgebiet Witebsk Major der Gend.Franz Hennigfeld
Major der Sch. Ulrich von Hutton
Stadtgebiet Mogilew Hptm. d. Sch. Erwin Wimmes.
Stadtgebiet Bobruisk Hptm. d. Sch. Wilhelm Lühr
Stadtgebiet Smolensk Major der Sch. Martin Riedmayr

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Re: Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei Minsk

Postby BB-WA » 09 Mar 2009 10:43

Peter

Nice additional info and thanks for BdO Ostland.

Stadtgebiet Witebsk Major der Gend.Franz Hennigfeld
Major der Sch. Ulrich von Hutton
Stadtgebiet Mogilew Hptm. d. Sch. Erwin Wimmes.
Stadtgebiet Bobruisk Hptm. d. Sch. Wilhelm Lühr
Stadtgebiet Smolensk Major der Sch. Martin Riedmayr


Were some post holders the same as in Bdo Ukraine, that in some KdO there were both a Kommandeur der Gendarmerie and a Kommandeur der Schutzpolizei?

I refer to
Stadtgebiet Witebsk
00.01.1942. - 00.00.0000. - Major.d.Gend. Franz Hennigfeld -
00.01.1942. - 00.00.0000. - Major.d.Schupo. Ulrich von Hutton -

Do you have any info on end dates for the various posts?

Thanks for any replies

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