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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by Derek » 28 Feb 2010 14:49

James,
In a list of buildings at Dachau I also just found a "h.w.l. Munchen-Dachau". This would suggest the welfare organisation was either carried on under a different name or a separate branch was also located at Dachau. A photo from about 1937 shows an SS man on parade duty in Munich with an "h.w.l." cufftitle but unfortunately the latter part of the title is invisible.
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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by TH Albright » 28 Feb 2010 15:04

hello all, I have an Excel database which has personnel data for NARA II on many of the SS-TV officer "class" who went on the serve in the wratime Waffen SS..any queries for data are welcome. John Moore is quite right about the mix of miscreants, military professionals, and political "soldiers"...the personnel records reveal much that is interesting and when subjected to data analysis, some fascinating trends, such as the intergral staffing connections between the SS-VT, SS-JS and the SS-TV.

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by coburg22 » 28 Feb 2010 23:01

Hi Derek,

Thank you for the additional information. At least I have a better idea as to the nature of the officers listed in the 10.1.34 DAL under "Hilfswerk Dachau".

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by coburg22 » 28 Feb 2010 23:07

Hello TH Albright,

Thanks for your input regarding the Totenkopf Officer Database. Could you please perhaps provide a starter list of Officers to go off for this thread? Any information and / or contributions would be much appreciated.

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by TH Albright » 01 Mar 2010 16:49

apologize for the Caps..this was "cut" directly from the database...these are SS-TV officer who served in the pre-war SS-VT and were transferred to the SS-TV; the little "e" is for enlisted and the "o" for officer..also graduates of SS-JS are included..many notable wartime figures..19 of these men served in camp staff/administration positions, the rest served exclusively in the guard units..Max Pausch was Schutzhaftlagerfuhrer at Gusen II 1944-45..Kurt Launer, a famous W-SS officer, was commandant of the "moor" camp Schless-Osterstein in 1933...Wilil Duschenshoen was also a "moor" camp kommandant during this period at Papen and Fuhlsbuettel. Kunstler, Goecke and Foerschner were "famous" kommandants during the war.


ANDRESEN, OTTO 1 SS-VT?
ARNOLD, ALFRED 1 SS-VTe JSBS
BAIER, LORENZ 1 SS-VTe JSBT
BAUER, RUDOLPH 1 SS-VTe JSBT
BECKER, HELMUT 1 SS-VT
BELLWIDT, WALTER 1 SS-VT
BENZ, KURT 1 SS-VT
BESCH, ULRICH 1 SS-VTe JSBS
BIESEMEYER, ERNST 1 SS-VTe
BLUMHARDT, HERBERT 1 SS-VTe JSBS
BRINKMANN, HEINZ 1 SS-VTe JSBS
BUCHNER, HERMANN 1 SS-VTe JSBS
BURBOECK, WILHELM 1 SS-VT JSBT
BURK, EWALD 1 SS-VTe JSBT
CONRAD, SIEGFRIED 1 SS-VT JSBT
DEISENHOFER, EDUARD SS-VT
DEMME, KARL 1 SS-VT
DORN, HANS 1 SS-VT LSSAH
DUSENSCHOEN, WILLI 1 SS-VT
ERSPENMUELLER, ROBERT 1 SS-VT
FASCHING, ALFRED 1 SS-VTeo JSBS
FOERSCHNER, OTTO 1 SS-VTeo
FRIEDRICHS, HERMANN 1 SS-VTe JSBT
GARBE, WALTER 1 SS-VTe JSBS
GEHRIG, CHRISTOPH 1 SS-VT
GEISLER, PAUL 1 SS-VT
GNABS, GERHARD 1 SS-VTe JSBT
GOECKE, WILHELM 1 SS-VT
GRAMS, RUPRECHT 1 SS-VTe JSBT
HAAS, FRITZ 1 SS-VTe JSBT
HAEUSSLER, ERNST 1 SS-VTe JSBS
HELLE, PAUL-ANTON 1 SS-VT
HERMANN, ALEXANDER 1 SS-VTe JSBT
HOYM, GNEOMAR Von 1 SS-VTe JSBS
KOLLMER, JOSEF 1 SS-VT
KRAETZER, THEODOR 1 SS-VT
KRAMER, HERBERT-GUENTHER 1 SS-VT
KRUG, FELIX SS-VT
KUENSTLER, KARL 1 SS-VT
KURZ, ALOIS 1 SS-VTe
LANGE, THEODOR 1 SS-VTe
LAUNER, KURT 1 SS-VT
LINDTHALER, JOSEF 1 SS-VT
LOSCHNIGG, FRITZ 1 SS-VTe
LOTTER, FRITZ 1 SS-VTe
MAACK, BERTHOLD 1 SS-VT
MAIER, FRANZ 1 SS-VTe
MAYER, FRANZ 1 SS-VTeo
MECKELBERG, OTTO 1 SS-VTeo JSBS
MELMER, BRUNO 1 SS-VT
MOHR, CHRISTIAN 1 SS-VT
MOSER, HANS 1 SS-VT
MUETZELFELDT, HANS 1 SS-VTe JSBS
OTTO, HERMANN 1 SS-VTe JSBT
OTTO, WOLFGANG 1 SS-VTe
PAUSCH, MAX 1 SS-VT
PAULY, RICHARD 1 SS-VTe JSBS
PEIPER, HORST 1 SS-VTe JSBT
PETERSEN, HEINRICH 1 SS-VT
PITTSCHELLIS, ADOLF 1 SS-VTe JSBS
QUIRSFELD, EBERHARD von 1 SS-VT
RAHN, HELMUTH 1 SS-VTe JSBS
REDER, WALTER 1 SS-VTe JSBS
ROSENBUSCH, ERICH 1 SS-VTe JSBS
SANSONI, RICHARD 1 SS-VT
SCHAAF, HANS 1 SS-VT
SCHASSBERGER, FRIEDRICH 1 SS-VTe JSBT
SCHROEDEL, WILFRIED 1 SS-VTe JSBT
SCHUETZE, BRUNO 1 SS-VTe JSBT
SCHULTZ, SIEGFRIED MAX 1 SS-VTeo JSBT
SCHUMACHER, ERWIN 1 SS-VTe JSBT
SCHUMACHER, WERNER 1 SS-VTe JSBS
SPERLING, HERBERT 1 SS-VTe JSBT
STIEGLITZ, KARL 1 SS-VTe JSBS
STOCKER, EMIL 1 SS-VT
STRATHMANN, HORST 1 SS-VT
VOGEL, PAUL 1 SS-VTe
WAECKERLE, HILMAR 1 SS-VT
WEDELL, FRITZ 1 SS-VT JSBS
WEIDINGER, OTTO 1 SS-VT JSBS
WETZEL, FRIEDRICH 1 SS-VT
WOLF, KARL-WILHELM 1 SS-VTe JSBT
ZOLLHOFER, EMIL 1 SS-VTe JSBT
ZEITLER, ALFONS 1 LSSAHe SS-VTeo

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by windermcconnell » 01 Mar 2010 17:11

Dear Mr. Albright,

Among the men on the list you recently posted was Stbf. Walter Reder. I knew him well, visited him, along with my wife, in prison in Gaeta, Italy, in 1974. I knew, of course, that he had been with Totenkopf and later with the RFSS Division in Italy. I don't recall whether he ever mentioned having been in a particular Totenkopf-Verband, and I did not have the impression that he was ever stationed in a KL. Is my information correct, as far as you know?

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by TH Albright » 01 Mar 2010 21:01

Hi Mr. McConnell..Reder served with SS-Totenkopfstandarten Oberbayern at KL Dachau 1936-39 after graduating from SS-Juncherschule Braunschweig. He served in the guard troops during that period according to his personnel records. He was part of the original cadre of the SS-Totenkopfdivision when it stood up in October 1939.
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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by windermcconnell » 01 Mar 2010 21:37

Dear Mr. Albright,

Thanks for your quick response. During the almost two decades that we knew each other, Walter and I never spoke of that period of his service. When we visited him in Gaeta in 1974, most of our discussion revolved around his imprisonment and the chances that he might be released, his time in Russia (when he lost an arm), and then in Italy with the 16th SS. I had known, of course, that he had early on been at the SS-Junkerschule Braunschweig and that he was with the 3rd SS Panzer Division from its inception. My recollection is that ca. 6,500 men who were called up to serve in the 3rd were drawn from the ranks of the KL guards, many, if not most of whom, were killed during the fighting at Demjansk. If you have any other details that might be of interest to me, I would be most grateful to receive them. Thank you once again for responding to me.

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by coburg22 » 02 Mar 2010 01:19

Hello TH Albright,

Thank you very much for the addition of your list to this thread.

Best Regards,

James

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by coburg22 » 03 Mar 2010 01:03

K.L. Dachau: (1934 SS DAL Listing)

SS-Obersturmbannfuhrer Guenther Tamaschke
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Heinrich Scheingraber
SS-Sturmfuhrer Leander Hauck
SS-Sturmfuhrer Alois Obermeier
SS-Sturmfuhrer Anton Waldmann
SS-Sturmfuhrer Max Koegel
SS-Sturmfuhrer Karl Fritsch
SS-Sturmfuhrer Wilhelm Breimaier
SS-Sturmfuhrer Kurt Benz
SS-Sturmfuhrer Hubert Karl
SS-Sturmfuhrer Karl Merker
SS-Sturmfuhrer Alfred Driemel
SS-Sturmfuhrer Alfons Bentele


K.L. Dachau: (1935 SS DAL Listing)

SS-Oberfuhrer Heinrich Deubel / Kdt.
SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Ernst Schulze
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Heinrich Scheingraber
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Dr. Max Ostermaier
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Leander Hauck
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Alois Obermeier
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Max Koegel
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Georg Spiess
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Karl Fritzsch
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Karl Merker
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Alfred Driemel
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Hans Aumeier
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Willi Bredemeier
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Heinrich Calligaro
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Hans Dorn
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Otto Kron

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James

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by coburg22 » 03 Mar 2010 01:13

K.L. Dachau: (1937 SS DAL Listing)

SS-Oberfuhrer Hans Loritz / Kdt.
SS-Standartenfuhrer Hermann Baranowski
SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Hans Kreppel
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Max Koegel
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Egon Zill
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Karl Fritzsch
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Albert Breh
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Martin Weiss
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Rudolf Wagner
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Max Schobert
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Rudolf Hoess
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Johann Kanschuster
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Heinrich Worster


K.L. Dachau: (1938 SS DAL Listing)

SS-Oberfuhrer Hans Loritz / Kdt.
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Adam Gruenewald
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Karl Fritzsch
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Albert Breh
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Martin Weiss
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Rudolf Wagner
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Johann Kantschuster
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Heinrich Worster
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Conrad Groth
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Traugott Meyer

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James

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by coburg22 » 03 Mar 2010 01:20

K.L. Esterwegen: (1935 SS DAL Listing)

SS-Standartenfuhrer Hans Loritz / Kdt.
SS-Sturmbannfuhrer Emeran Schmid
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Fritz Habersaat
SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Max Gebhardt
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Johann Weiseborn
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Kurt Benz
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Karl Weichelsdorfer
SS-Untersturmfuhrer Dr. Melchoir Berning

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by TH Albright » 03 Mar 2010 15:53

great stuff..James..do you have the position held in the camp hierarchy of these officers? I have Gebhardt as Wachtruppe Ostfriesland company commander at KL Esterwegen 1935-36, Benz as a member of the Kdt. staff, Weichelsdorfer as IVa (camp admin officer). I have more info on a number of those listed above

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by TH Albright » 03 Mar 2010 19:29

here is a list of SS-TV officers who served in the early years (phase 1) of the KL system (1933-36); they also served in the wartime Waffen SS. Some of these men served as enlisted men as well in the KL system at this time, and were promoted later. 95 men in all; 13 went on to win the Ritterkruez, 40 achieved Battalion Kdr. or above in the wartime Waffen SS; 16 served as camp Kommandants; and 12 each as SS-TV battalion commanders or camp administrative officers in the pre-war years. This was a core leadership group of the pre-war camp system and represented the "skill sets" in the military, administrative, and political sphere Theodor Eicke aspired to when he expanded the SS-TV into a paramilitary force.

ARTMANN, HANS
BACHMEIER, JOSEF
BAER, RICHARD
BAIER, LORENZ
BAUMANN, RICHARD
BECKER, HELMUT
BENZ, KURT
BERGER, FRANZ
BLUMHARDT, HERBERT
BOCHMANN, GEORG
BREDEMEIR, WILLI
BREH, ALBERT
BREIMAIER, WILHELM
BRENNEIS, OTTO
BUCHER, JOSEF
BUENGELER, HEINZ
CESINGER, JOHANN
DALLINGER, MAX
DE MARTIN, FRANZ
DEISENHOFER, EDUARD
DIRNAGEL, RUDOLPH
DOLP, HERMANN
DORN, HANS
DRIEMEL, ALFRED
DUSENSCHOEN, WILLI
EICKE, THEODOR
ERSPENMUELLER, ROBERT
ERTL, HANS
FASCHING, ALFRED
FASCHINGBAUER, KARL
FENEBERG, JOSEF
FREESEMANN, HEINRICH
FRITZCH, KARL
FUHRLAENDER, WILHELM
GEBHARDT, MAX
GLASER, LUDWIG
GOTTSCHALK, GERHARD
GROSCHE, PAUL
GRUENWALD, ADAM
HAUCK, LEANDER
HEINKE, HEINRICH
HOPPE, PAUL-WERNER
HUETTIG, HANS
JAKOB, FRANZ
KALTOFEN, HANS-HEINRICH
KELLER, EMIL
KIMMEL, HERMANN
KINNE, RUDOLPH
KIKLASCH, ERNST
KLAPSCH, HUGO
KRON, OTTO
KUECHLE, HEINZ
KUENSTLER, KARL
KUESTER, OTTO
KURTZ, ADOLF
LAUNER, KURT
LIPPERT, MICHAEL
LOTTER, FRITZ
LOTZ, PETER
MAACK, BERTHOLD
MARG, KARL
MAYR, KURT-FRITZ
MICHL, HERMANN
MOHR, CHRISTIAN
OBERHAUSER, JOSEF
OBERSCHMID, ALBERT
PETERSEN, HEINRICH
PLOETZ, KARL
REICH, OTTO
RITZHEIMER, HEINZ
RODL, ARTHUR
SAALBACH, RUDOLF
SACK, GERHARD
SCHARF, NORBERT
SCHEINGRABER, HEINRICH
SCHELLONG, KONRAD
SCHEUNGRABER, WILHELM
SCHLECHL, JOHANN
SCHMORELL, HERMANN
SCHNEIDER, WOLFRAM
SCHOTTES, MICHAEL
SIMKE, WILLI
SIMON, MAX
STREITWIESER, ANTON
SULZBACH, OTTO
VOGDT, KURT
WAECKERLE, HILMAR
WEICHSELSDORFER, KARL THEODOR
WEIDINGER, HANS
WEIDINGER, OTTO
WEISSE, KURT
WITTL, FRITZ
ZEITLER, ALFONS
ZEYSING, HANS
ZILL, EGON

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Re: SS-Totenkopfverbände

Post by coburg22 » 04 Mar 2010 03:54

Hello TH Albright,

Thank you for the compliment and I really enjoyed your latest posting of the core group of SS-TV Officers. I am in the process of filling in the blanks these men had in the K.L. system in regards to their duties. I have all the basic SS information as well as what appears on the DAL's for these individuals but not the posts they held. When I find their records I will post what I can on this thread to give the officer a little more history.

Best Regards,

James

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