SS-Sturmbannführer Helmut Gaede - 2./SS-Pz.Rgt. 12

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SS-Sturmbannführer Helmut Gaede - 2./SS-Pz.Rgt. 12

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 04 Oct 2011, 18:34

Hello,

SS-Sturmbannführer Helmut Gaede who took the commandment of the 2./SS-Pz.Rgt. 12 when SS-Hauptsturmführer Beck leaves his place for the Staff of I. SS-Pz.Korps in 1944, was engaged in the battle of Normandie. If someone gets his biography or know if he survived the war ?
Also, is someone get the list of the dead of this kompanie for the 24 August 1944 ?
I appreciate your help.
Didier

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Post by Ste » 05 Oct 2011, 17:21

Gaede was an Obesturmführer by the time of the Normandy Invasion;and I think that he never reached the Sturmbannführer rank,maybe Haupsturmführer but no more.
If I remember right,he was born in January 1920 and yes,he survived and was still alive on 2002.
I have no date of death,but I don't know if he's still alive or not.


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Post by Lodieu Didier » 05 Oct 2011, 17:28

Hello Ste,

I thankgiven you to give me this very IMPORTANT information : he was still alive in 2002. It's very difficult to find informations about this Offz from 2./SS-Pz.Rgt. 12.

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Post by j keenan » 05 Oct 2011, 17:56

Gaede d.o.b. 24.1.20 Brauchitschdorf/Schles
ssnumber 364 221 ss-ustuf 30.1.42 r.d.a.1.10.41 ss-ostuf 9.11.43
entered wss 25.1.38
ss school Tölz 1.5.41-15.9.41
LSSAH 1.42
SS-Kampfgruppe Schuldt 1.3.43
SS-Pz.Gren Ausb-u-Ers Btl 1,1.3.43-13.10.43
Left for Hitlerjurgend 13.10.43
EKI 21.3.42
EKII 29.10.41
Infantry assault badge in silver 21.3.42
Wound badge in black 5.3.43
East front Medal 1.8.42
chef 1/12 ss-pz rgt 1.45
Source John P Moore's excellent Führer List

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 05 Oct 2011, 19:01

Thank you very much Mr. Keenan for all the time you spent to copy this usefull informations. Didn't received the DKG 25 Aug 44?

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Post by Ste » 05 Oct 2011, 23:30

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Post by chris44 » 05 Oct 2011, 23:39

Place of birth ist
Brauchitschdorf Kreis Lüben Regierungsbezirk Liegnitz Provinz Schlesien
and yes
He won DKIG on 25.08.1944

further

Panzerkampfabzeichen in Silber 15.10.1944
Panzerkampfabzeichen in Silber II.Stufe 18.04.1945

add.Promotions

01.08.1940 SS-Sturmmann
15.08.1940 SS-Unterführeranwärter
05.05.1941 SS-Junker (Fahnenjunker Uffz.)
01.07.1941 SS-Standartenjunker
15.09.1941 SS-Standartenoberjunker

20.10.1944 Kompaniechef
20.04.1945 SS-Hauptsturmführer

source: Wehrpaßabschrift Seite 22 und 23

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 06 Oct 2011, 04:22

Marvelous and verious serious sources that couldn't be better. I see that Christ get the Mr Gaede's Wehrpass and i can only say congratulations. It's formidable to met persons who are not only collectors, researchers, but also persons who shares their informations.
Just a little another question.
Do you think that the Gaede's Panther in Normandie wore the tactic number 205 or another one ?
I wish you all success in your research.
Didier

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Post by Ste » 06 Oct 2011, 17:28

Lodieu Didier,

take a look here,I think you could find it interesting: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 68&start=0

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Post by Ste » 06 Oct 2011, 17:44

Just 2 words about the 2. Kompanie: he was the last PanzerKompanie to reach the front and was in action in the first days on the left wing of the division;by what I read,it was structured on 3 Zug, for a total of 17 Panthers.

Zugführers:

Untersturmführer Richard Hermann
Standarte-Oberjunker Paul Dienemann
Standarte-Oberjunker Ulrich Ahrens


I have also Ostuf Fritz Kastner KIA on 18.6.1944,reported as belonging to the 2/Pz Rgt 12.

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 06 Oct 2011, 18:46

For informations, it's informations goddamned!
I can tell you an important information too about the 2Kp.
The 24 aug 44, the crew from Panther 205 was took by surprise by the reistants and the crew get out the engine and run for their life. Two of them successed to escape, two another were captured and the last one was killed. Who was that Panzerschütz from the 205? That is the question
Since my investigations, i found an old collector who found near the place (30 years ago) of the 205 destroyed a black jacket with the armband LAH. But the jacket was sold in the last years and the person who found the jacket doesnt remeber the grad. When i get the information, i'll tell it to you.

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Post by Lodieu Didier » 08 Oct 2011, 14:07

Is someone get the list of the vermisst from the 2 Kp ? There is reasons to think that a Panzerschütz from this kp - Panther 205 - is lying in the garden of a resistant. His grad was Uffz., but no detail about the exact grade.
Thanks to help him.

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Post by Shane A Beaver » 13 Dec 2011, 14:16

Does anyone know with which unit/Division he served with between 1939 and 1941? John Moore's Personalakte states that he saw combat in the Polish campaign and in the Russian campaign. There is no mention of the campaign in the West (1940) or the Balkans (1941). Thanks in advance

Shane

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Post by j keenan » 13 Dec 2011, 20:25

3.E/LAH, 21.9.39-14.11.39
4.E(MG)/LAH, 15.11.39-17.1.40
19.(MG)/LAH, 18.1.40-30.4.41
Jünkerschule Tölz 1.5.41-15.9.41

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Post by Shane A Beaver » 14 Dec 2011, 17:07

Many thanks for that information.

Shane

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