Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Griffin brigade » 04 Dec 2017, 21:18

My thanks as well to Steve for reproducing these documents on this thread .

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by PATRICK CHARRON » 15 Dec 2017, 14:32

Hello,


Stange, Eduard SS-Ostuf. dob 28.05.21 SS Nr. 359645 OO, I./Pz.GR.4

Source: John Moore Führerliste

Maybe someone could identify SS-Ustuf. Krause who is on a Pow report (posted by Steve) as Platoon leader in 2./DF?
I found his name on another document.

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Georg_S » 06 Feb 2018, 12:12

Here is a photo of SS-Ostuf. Karl Seibert according to DRK he became MIA as a POW in September 1945 in the area of Temesvar.

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by PATRICK CHARRON » 14 Feb 2018, 13:43

Hello,

Thanks Georg to post this picture.
Karl Seibert was assigned to the SS-Pz.Gr.AuE.Btl.2 at the end of the war.

For the other forum members, I give a link about SS-Pz.Gr.AuE.Btl.2 where Seibert was already cited (posted by Georg).

https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopi ... ge#p650408.

Does anyone know the Feldpostnummer of SS-Pz.Gr.AuE.Btl.2 ?

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Post by Georg_S » 14 Feb 2018, 16:40

Hello Patrick

You are welcome, I have now published all of the known MIA officers of "Der Führer" on following site - https://wennallebruderschweigen.blogspo ... iment.html

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Post by PATRICK CHARRON » 15 Feb 2018, 16:37

Hello,

Thanks a lot Georg for this link.

However, I noticed that Liebmann Heinrich who is at the end of the Der Freiwillige article is not on the site Wennallebrüderschweigen.
Liebmann, Heinrich SS-Ustuf. 29.09.22 SS Nr. 449209 9./Pz.GR.4
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Post by Georg_S » 16 Feb 2018, 11:48

Hello Patrick,

The list you found on the Blogg was only for official listed officers of the SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt. Der Führer, I have today published those officers who became MIAs as officers of the SS-Pz.Gr.AuE.Abt.2 among them Liebmann. - https://wennallebruderschweigen.blogspo ... anier.html

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Post by PATRICK CHARRON » 16 Feb 2018, 15:01

Hello,

Thanks Georg !
I visited the new page you have published.

Do you know the Feldpost numbers of SS-Pz.Gr.AuE.Abt.2 ?

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Post by Halfdan S. » 21 Apr 2019, 14:30

Mikedc wrote:
03 Jul 2013, 18:39
SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 4 "Der Führer"
I. Bataillon
SS-Sturmbannführer Karl August Götsche(commander 3-45/??-4-45)
With which unit did Götsche end the war? Last entry in Führerliste is the above assignment:
Götsche, Karl August Stubaf. 25. 2.03 33 537 Kdr.I./Pz.GR.4 3.45

- yet he apparently turns up in Berlin on May 2nd, 1945. The danish SS-Ustuf. Andresen tells: "Einige Leute verlassen den Keller, andere - darunter SS-Stubaf. Göttsche - kommen herein." (Venghaus, S. 69).

Führerliste has two Göttsche - Dr. Hans G. and Rolf G., none of them SS-Sturmbannführer and any way they had both fallen by May 2nd. Karl-August Götsche (with only one "t") is the only one that fits the bill, further more he had served as: "Chef,7./Inf.Rgt.“Nordland" (from Mai 1941) - Andresen had been in the same Regiment: "II./Inf.Rgt.”Nordland” (from July 1941; maybe even in the same Bataillon if 7. Komp. belonged to the II. Bat.), so Andresen would surely have known Götsche ... and his ID therefore been solid. But again what was Götsches doing in Berlin?

Any thoughts?

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Post by jean pierre » 09 May 2019, 08:44

Hello Steve
thank you for sharing this source !
would you have other scanners that relate to “Malgrés-Nous” of the division please ??
thanking you for your help
(I'm working on a list of these Alsatians incorporated in this division)
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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Von Kluck » 31 Oct 2020, 03:22

PATRICK CHARRON wrote:
02 Aug 2013, 17:38
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Froni, Josef Ustuf. 30. 8.20 SS Nr 475 331 8./Pz.GR.4 ‡18. 8.44
Hello
According to Charles Trang (Leibstandarte, 1943-1945, p. 441) SS-Hstuf Josef 'Sepp' Unterkofler led the 8. Kompanie at least since november 1943 and left his command when he participated to a Bataillons-Führer-Lehrgang in Pz.Tr.Schl.II Bergen in August 44 before succeiding to SS-Ostuf Gerhard Herfurth at the head of II./SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt 1 in October. So Froni (mostly a Zugführer) should probably assumed command after him in August (for a short time before he was KIA).
Halfdan S. wrote:
21 Apr 2019, 14:30
Mikedc wrote:
03 Jul 2013, 18:39
SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 4 "Der Führer"
I. Bataillon
SS-Sturmbannführer Karl August Götsche(commander 3-45/??-4-45)
With which unit did Götsche end the war? Last entry in Führerliste is the above assignment:
Götsche, Karl August Stubaf. 25. 2.03 33 537 Kdr.I./Pz.GR.4 3.45

- yet he apparently turns up in Berlin on May 2nd, 1945. The danish SS-Ustuf. Andresen tells: "Einige Leute verlassen den Keller, andere - darunter SS-Stubaf. Göttsche - kommen herein." (Venghaus, S. 69).

Führerliste has two Göttsche - Dr. Hans G. and Rolf G., none of them SS-Sturmbannführer and any way they had both fallen by May 2nd. Karl-August Götsche (with only one "t") is the only one that fits the bill, further more he had served as: "Chef,7./Inf.Rgt.“Nordland" (from Mai 1941) - Andresen had been in the same Regiment: "II./Inf.Rgt.”Nordland” (from July 1941; maybe even in the same Bataillon if 7. Komp. belonged to the II. Bat.), so Andresen would surely have known Götsche ... and his ID therefore been solid. But again what was Götsches doing in Berlin?

Any thoughts?

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SS-Stubaf Karl-August Götsche takes command of I. Btl mit Wirkung von 20.10. and left command to SS-Hstuf Albert Engelmann in Mid-February when the division was transfered in Hungary (according to Weidinger).
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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Halfdan S. » 12 Nov 2020, 18:30

Thanks Von Luck,

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by PATRICK CHARRON » 13 Nov 2020, 01:34

Hello von Kluck,
Sepp Unterkofler was promoted Hstuf on 09/11/1944 and assigned Chef, 8./ Pz.GR.4. He took command of Btl Lex (Kampfgruppe Das Reich) after the latter's death on 11.03.1944. He was then seriously wounded in the neck on 19.03.1944. Source Otto Weidinger, Mark Yerger, Charles Trang

Unterkofler is listed as Hstuf Kr III /1 Pz.G.Rgt 1 in DAL der Waffen-SS 01.07.1944

The source for Ustuf Josef Froni is: Commission d'enquête des crimes de guerre (War Crimes Commission of Inquiry) and John Moore Führerliste
The II./Pz.GR.4. led by Herbert Schulze lacked officers and had to complete his training. He arrived on the Normandy front only on 17.07.1944

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