ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by Max Williams » 17 Apr 2018, 11:27

GregSingh wrote:
Cvancara refers to Wilhelm Schultze who was a high ranking officer of gestapo in Prague. But his face is unknown to me
Cvancara clearly identifies Kluckhohn twice in separate photos as Schultze, which is obviously wrong.
So these photos are not of Wilhelm Schultze but Kluckhohn?
http://www.kppardubicka.cz/cs/menu/zpra ... -krupkove/
https://www.ustrcr.cz/data/pdf/pamet-de ... 92-093.pdf
Judge for yourself. This is Hermann Kluckhohn from his RuSHA file in Berlin.
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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by Michal78 » 17 Apr 2018, 22:13

Andrey wrote:
goofy wrote:Andrey
If it is not Plötz, then who?
Michal
Michal,
I think it is same man... 8O
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 1#p2016031

Andrey.
Great finding, Andrey...it is the same man indeed. Thank you. But I am not convinced that it is Göring.
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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by GregSingh » 18 Apr 2018, 00:42

Thanks Max for the photo. I put both together for others to see.
Alleged Wilhelm Schultze on the left, Hermann Kluckhohn on the right.
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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by Max Williams » 18 Apr 2018, 01:34

As you can see, it's the same man. Small indentation to the right of his mouth; exact same hairline (even the small crescent shape above his left eye; etc.
Kluckhohn stayed on in Prague as a Daluege adjutant.

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Post by steve248 » 18 Apr 2018, 10:16

Max,
Other sources indicate a rather different post-Heydrich career:

30 Jan. 1943, promoted SS-Stubaf. – employed by Adj.Gruf. C
source: BBL 5/43
source: BStU, ZR 920, Akte 145, p. BStU 000180

Oct. 1943 SS-Uscha. d. R.; 5.SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. 4
June 1944 SS-Ustuf., 4.SS-Feld.Ers.Btl. 9
Oct. 1944 SS-Ustuf., 10.SS-Div.
Nov. 1944 SS-Ustuf., SS-Pz.Gren.Au.EBtl. 10
source: John P Moore, Waffen-SS Führerliste

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Post by Peter » 18 Apr 2018, 14:22

So does this mean that my other thread on NARA Kreigsberichter photos
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 1#p2016031

is Achim Plötz?
Because he certainly looks like the man in Michal's photo "XX and Achim Plötz" early on this thread.
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Post by Peter » 18 Apr 2018, 14:30

To my eyes, in photos of Hermann Kluckhohn he always wears the 4 "pips" of his SS-Stubaf. rank almost on the edges of his collar patch, most officers seem to wear the "pips" a little further from the edge.

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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by jim toncar » 18 Apr 2018, 19:22

Is there a picture of Kurt Pomme available ? He was the Chief adjutant .

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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by Michal78 » 18 Apr 2018, 21:52

Who is this police officer who stood direcly behind Heydrich in various occasions...
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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by Max Williams » 19 Apr 2018, 01:18

By process of elimination, I deduced this to be Kurt Pomme.
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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by Max Williams » 19 Apr 2018, 01:23

steve248 wrote:Max,
Other sources indicate a rather different post-Heydrich career:

30 Jan. 1943, promoted SS-Stubaf. – employed by Adj.Gruf. C
source: BBL 5/43
source: BStU, ZR 920, Akte 145, p. BStU 000180

Oct. 1943 SS-Uscha. d. R.; 5.SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. 4
June 1944 SS-Ustuf., 4.SS-Feld.Ers.Btl. 9
Oct. 1944 SS-Ustuf., 10.SS-Div.
Nov. 1944 SS-Ustuf., SS-Pz.Gren.Au.EBtl. 10
source: John P Moore, Waffen-SS Führerliste
Sorry, Steve, but your information is incomplete. Kluckhohn definitely remained in Prague as an adjutant of Daluege for continuity. I have post-Heydrich photos of him in this post and correspondence from him as adjutant in Daluege's office. Even the above photo posted by GregSingh was taken of him in Prague 1943, sitting behind Erwin Weinmann and Kurt Daluege. How long he stayed on, I don't know, as I do not have the date he transferred from the office of the Acting Reichsprotektor.
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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by GregSingh » 19 Apr 2018, 02:30

Kluckhohn definitely remained in Prague as an adjutant of Daluege for continuity. I have post-Heydrich photos of him in this post and correspondence from him as adjutant in Daluege's office.
In Czech archives there are many documents (dealing with Protectorate issues) addressed to Kluckhohn throughout first half 1943 up to 5th of July 1943. He came back to Prag for his wedding on 16th of May 1944 (I think I posted a wedding invitation earlier somewhere...).
There is also what looks like his handwritten Thank you note to Frank dated 18th of May 1944.

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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by steve248 » 20 Apr 2018, 08:56

The details given in SS-Officer files are what they are, there is no going back now to ask for clarification.

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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by Max Williams » 20 Apr 2018, 09:43

steve248 wrote:The details given in SS-Officer files are what they are, there is no going back now to ask for clarification.
But it's a good indication that certain archive files should not be relied upon to tell the whole story. I have full copies of Kluckhohn's SSO and RuSHA files somewhere. When I get time, I'll try and find them. You seemed to be saying that Kluckhohn did not stay on in the adjutancy office after Heydrich's death because the files you saw tell a different story. This is clearly wrong as other proof exists that he did.
BTW, looking forward to your next book.
Regards,
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Re: ID Heydrich Adjutant

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Post by J. Duncan » 24 Apr 2018, 01:06

Even though Max’s Original question was left unanswered as to identification, the name Arthur Scheidler was mentioned and I found his name within the story of Kaltenbrunner’s capture - he was found in the same cabin when they were arrested at Alt-Aussee. Too bad no photo of him but I’ll post the report below which makes interesting reading:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for- ... p_0001.htm

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