Police units, Pohorje (Bachern) 08.01.43

[filigranofil]

Hello Ivan,

there is several issues of the Filipič Book. I have one old version from 1963, so I do not know, if in the new versions are also mentioned new foundings od documents from dr. Tone Ferenc about aktion Gendarmerie Kompanie (Gend. Hauptmannschaft Marburg).

T. Ferenc: Nov okupatorjev dokument o napadu na Pohorski bataljon 8.I.1943, Časopis za zgodovino in narodopisje, I. zvezek, 1972



Enlargement:









Death on 8.1.1943:
- BOW d. Gd. Leopold Holobek, Gd. Posten Stockenhammer/Štore, Cilli/Celje

- Wm. d. Gd. d. R. Alois Lasshofer, Gd. Posten Tüffer/Laško (Also Lasshofer is on Volksbund list - my mistake)

- Hipo Alois Ramschek, Gd. Posten Mörtendorf/Markovci, Pettau/Ptuj

wounded:

- Hauptmann d. Gd. Erich Jungbauer, Gend. Hauptmannschaft Marburg/Maribor

- Mstr. d. Gd. Johann Gratzer, Abtgsf. Oberrann/Zgornji breg, Pettau/Ptuj



Map:

[Ivan Ž.]

Thank you, Darko, for another excellent reply and addition! A great work, and I very much appreciate it.

(it's only too bad that the first map wasn't more clear, but it's obviously a copy of the copy's copy, which is understandable).

I wouldn't be surprised if dr. Tone Ferenc foundings were indeed eventually included. If I wrote it down correctly, the longest issue of Filipič's book (known to me) was published in 1975. I'll try to get that issue (it shouldn't be a problem, there is a copy in the city archive here).

Cheers & good night for now! (my eyes are closing)
Ivan

[filigranofil]

Hello Ivan,

yes, France Filipič put dr.Ferenc document in the 4th edition of the Book (1975).





Dr. Ferenc put also some remarks about fallen Polismen and Soldiers:

"at the Begin of Battle was death 3 from Gend. Komp. Gend. Hauptmannschaft Marburg/Maribor under command of Hauptmann Erich Jungbauer, 7 death from Res. Pol.Komp.(mot.) Alpenland.
6 death was on Section I, on Section II (Heer) was 1 death soldier, on Section IV (Wehrmannschaft) was 2 death."

I do some research to control this Data:

1. For Gend.Komp. Hauptmannschaft Marburg/Maribor we do not need to do research, because it is clear from document:

Death on 8.1.1943:
- BOW d. Gd. Leopold Holobek, Gd. Posten Stockenhammer/Štore, Cilli/Celje

- Wm. d. Gd. d. R. Alois Lasshofer, Gd. Posten Tüffer/Laško (Also Lasshofer is on Volksbund list - my mistake)

- Hipo Alois Ramschek, Gd. Posten Mörtendorf/Markovci, Pettau/Ptuj

2. Wehrmannschaft:
. Kurt Tschernschetz was Slovenian from Marburg/Maribor: Kurt Černčec
- Rudolf Rowschek was Slovenian from Marburg/Maribor: Rudolf Rovšek




3.Johann Wodeb was Slowene from Cilli/Celje: Ivan Vodeb



4. Ernst Bresnig (Hipo) was Slowene from Cili/Celje: Ernest Breznik

5. Karl Kratzer, Wachtm. d. Schupo d. R., Wach Batl. I Wien, 4. Kom (Schönstein/Šoštanj)

6. Karl Fuchs, Oberwachtm. d. Schupo, Wach. Batl. Alpenland,4. Komp. Laufen/Ljubno, Untersteiermark/Spodnja Štajerska

7. Res. Komp. Mot. Alpenland:

- Heinz Busse, Oberwachtm. d. Gend.

- Johann Scharl, Wachtm. d. Gend.

- Michael Pürmayr, Wachtm. d. Res., died in Hospital Cilli/Celje 14.1.1963, burriend on 16.1.1943, Cemetery Cilli/Celje

For other member of Res. Komp. Mot. Alpenland I have no Data.

But Michael Pürmayr is additional on list, so if realy one soldier died from Heer, than it was casualties 20 men.

regards
Darko

[Ivan Ž.]

I am amazed with how many documents related to this fight survived, and I have no idea where do you keep finding them (well, actually I do, of course, since you sourced them neatly too ) But where did you find the obituaries?

Thank you yet again, Darko. Excellent material, as always.

Cheers (& good night again!)
Ivan

[filigranofil]

Hello Ivan,

100% true source is "Gräberliste" from Bürgermeister from town Cilli/Celje.
I put "Gräberliste" allready on forum der Wehrmacht: Heldenfriedhof Cilli/Celje, Slowenien
link: http://www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de/index ... /?pageNo=3

Obituaries is possible to find in newspaper, which we have on internet (Marburger Zeitung, Štajerski gospodar).

Bigger Problem is, that Archives in Slovenia is closed for WW2 because of "Person data protection".

regards
Darko

[Ivan Ž.]

Thanks for the fast reply - and for the link, Darko. I missed that interesting topic on FdW.

Cheers,
Ivan

[filigranofil]

Hello,

destroying of "Pohorski bataljon" was very important for the Nazis.

Report was writen the same day (8.1.1943) and sent to Higher SS and Police Leader (Höhere SS- und Polizeiführer) Erwin Rösener.



Am 8.1.1943 Grosseinsatz im Raume des Grosskogel (Pkt. 1347), nördl. Hagau, mit 3./Pol.19, 2./PWS Wiesbaden, 4./PWB Wien, 5./PWB. Alpenland, GRK. (mot.) Alpenland 1, zusammengestellte Kp. der Gend. Hauptmannschaft Marburg, 3 Kpn. Wehrmacht und Wehrmannschaftabt.
Ergebnis:Bacherbande vernichtet.
64 Banditen erschossen, darunter der Btls. Kommandant, Btls. Intendant, Btls. Arzt un 2 Kp. Führer, 1 Bandit gefangengenommen. Waffen und Munition wurden in grossere Menge erbeutet.
Eigene Verluste: Polizei 16 Tote und 26 Verwundete, Wehrmacht 1 Toter un 2 Verwundete, Wehrmannschaft: 2 Tote und 3 Verwundete

gez.
Knofe

Loks like that Erwin Rösener was in Salzburg and he sent Radiogram to his Chef Reichsfüher H. Himmler on 10.1.1943 at 11:22.
H. Himmler was in his Sonderzug "Heinrich".

SALZBURG NR 116 10.1.43 11:22 RÜ

AN DEN REICHSFUERER UND CHEF DER DEUTSCHEN POLIZEI

HEINRICH HIMMLER S. ZG. HEINRICH


REICHSFUEHRER

AM 7. UND 8.1.1943 WAR EIN GROSSEINSATZ AM GROSSKOGEL BACHERNGEBIRGE IN UNTERSTEIERMARK. DER GROSSEINSATZ WURDE AM 8.1. UM 16.30 UHR BEENDET.

IM KAMPFE WURDEN 64 BANDITEN ERSCHOSSEN, DARUNTER DER BATL. KOMMANDANT, BEIDE KOMP. FUEHRER MIT IHNEN KOMPANIEN, DER INTENDANT UND DER ARZT, DER AUS SCHOENSTEIN STAMMT UND LANGE BEI DER BANDE WAR. DIE BANDITEN HAUSTEN IM ETWA 20 SELBSTGEBAUTEN WOHNBUNKERN DIE IN DIE ERDE GEBAUT WAREN UND VON FELD...SIGEN STELLUNGEN UMGEBEN WAR.

KAMPFPLATZ 100 METER NORDWESTLICH OSOJNKA AUF UEBERAGENNER FICHTBEWALDETER HOEHE. NACH AUSSAGEN EINES GEFANGENEN UND DES KRIM. RATES B R A N D DER BEIM GEFECHT DABEI WAR, WAR DIE BACHERBANDE NICHT STAERKER.
TOTE BANDITEN AM KAMPFPLATZ BELASSEN, WERDEN MORGEN DURCH SICHERHEITPOLIZEI ERKENNUNGSDIENSTLICH BEHANDELT.
KAMPFPLATZ BEIDE ZUEGE IM LAUERSTELLUNG EINGESETZT.
MORGEN ABSTREIFEN DER GESAMTEN UMGEBUNG DURCH SCHIZUEGE.
KOMMANDEUER D. GEND. DURSUCHT AM 9.1.43 MIT EIGENEN KRAEFTEN, VERSTAERKT DURCH LANDWACHT, ORTSCHAFTEN UND GEHOEFTE DER GESAMTE AUCH WEITEREN UMGEBUNG DES KAMPFGELAENDES NACH VERWUNDETEN BANDITEN,

EIGENE VERLUSTE 12 TOTE, 15 VERWUNDETE WEHRMACHT 1 TOTER WEHRMANNSCHAFT 1 TOTER


GEZ. ROESENER SS- GRUPPENFÜHRER UND GENERALLEUTNANT


Document:







H. Himmler sent answer to Rösener on 13th.1.1943 at 16:25:

" I am expressing recognition for succes in the battle with partisan groups on Pohorje Area."



Of course sent H. Himmler immidiatelly report to Führer (on 11.1.1943): Meldungen an den Führer über Bandendenbekämpfung:

Meldung Nr.53

Himmler only Copy-paste the Rösener report into Meldung Nr.53 and sent to Hitler!




All Data from the Bok: France Filipič: Pohorski bataljon, Ljubljana 1975







regards
Darko

[Ivan Ž.]

More great info. Thanks very much for posting this. One wouldn't expect that a destruction of a small "gang unit" would draw such an attention.

I've seen an estimation (here) that the German troops included about 2000 men. Would this be correct? 2000 against 69?

Cheers,
Ivan

[filigranofil]

Hello Ivan,

Number of men in German troops is not easy to estimate and also Filipič and Ferenc do not say in Book or articles.

We know, that in "Abschnitt III" was 350 men from Heer and we know that Hauptmannschaft Marburg/Maribor and Cilli/Celje sent together around 100 Gendarme. We know also, that one Komp. Lsch. had 70-90 men.

Maybe is estimation 2000 men to big, but about 350 men per "Abschnitt" is real, together around 1400 men.
Yes, on the other site, in winter camp on Osankarica was only 70 partisans. 69 of them falled (several of them made suicide, because they do not want to come in Gestapo hands), one was captured.

Germans decide to put so big troop there, because had bad experience before with the "Pohorski bataljon". In the past they attack them with troops about several hundred men, but "Pohorski bataljon allways withdraw and disapeared.

This time made kommander of "Pohorski bataljon several mistakes. One of them was not to send patroils around camp, second was not to escape immidialy in the begin of Battle, when the ring was not closed. But he has no information about position of German troops...

regards
Darko

[G. Trifkovic]

Hi all,

attached below is a version of Himmler's report Nr. 53 in somewhat better quality (from NARA/T-175/124).

Cheers,

G.

[filigranofil]

Hello G.,

thanks for posting Himmler's report Nr. 53.

I have only copy from the Filipič book.

regards
Darko

[Ivan Ž.]

Hello, Darko and Gaius, and thanks very much for the latest additions.

A question, regarding the number of Partisans: I've read (or misunderstood, the text was in Slovenian) that the total number was 69 and that 68 were killed + one captured (Sulc). So: the total of 70 or 69?

Cheers,
Ivan

[filigranofil]

Hello Ivan,

yes, I found in Filipič book, version 1975 also estimation of 2000 men.

And yes, 69 was fallen, 1 wounded partisan was captured.

From the book (only in slovenian language):



regards
Darko

[Ivan Ž.]

Thanks a lot once again, Darko!

Cheers,
Ivan

[filigranofil]

Hello Ivan,

Thank you, Darko, for another excellent reply and addition! A great work, and I very much appreciate it.

(it's only too bad that the first map wasn't more clear, but it's obviously a copy of the copy's copy, which is understandable).

Cheers & good night for now! (my eyes are closing)
Ivan

First map in a better resolution (it is still copy of the copy but it is better then a copy of the copy's copy




Proof, that this Photo is a copy of the copy is in left upper corner



Enlargement, if needed...




regards
Darko