Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by charli peng » 17 Jan 2019 19:09

...we forgot SS-Stubaf. Artur Messner CO. II./11 wounded on 11.01.45!
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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by FransN » 18 Jan 2019 16:42

Danke schön Charly!

I shall refer to the numbers of my sources of post 5, earlier in this thread.

(1) gives Messner as CO of II./12 in 10.1944
(3) gives him as CO of II./12 on 01.07.1944
(4) gives him as CO of II./12 on 01.10.1944
(6) gives him as CO of II./12 on 08.05.1945 (which is clearly wrong, since this battalion ceased to exist already in 03.1945)
(11) gives him as CO of II./12 until he got wounded in mid March 1945.
(12) gives him as CO of II./12 on 01.07.1944 and on 01.03.1945
(13) gives him as CO of II./12 on 01.03.1945

(11) also lists him as CO of II./11 without a date, but after Braun.
(12) also lists him as CO of II./11 from 1944 until 11.01.1945.

Would you please provide us with your source(s) that Messner commanded II./11? Is it Mehner? Danke im Voraus!

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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by charli peng » 18 Jan 2019 17:40

Moin Moin,
Quelle: Bundesarchiv
6.SS-Div. "Nord" Div. Gef.St., den 3. 2. 1945
Namentliche Aufstellung derr Führerverluste vom 1.1.-14.1.45
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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by FransN » 19 Jan 2019 15:43

Grüß dich Charly,
Thanks for your reply. Would you please post this Führerverlustliste on AHF? I (we) would be highly interested in its contents!
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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by charli peng » 09 Mar 2019 20:26

Moin Moin,
I found a new name for the I./6.
Hstf. Herman Brandt, 9.1941.
"Nordruf" 1987 Nr.21 page: 14
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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by FransN » 09 Mar 2019 23:53

Danke Charly,

SS-Hstuf. Hermann Brandt (* 17.03.1907) was Chef of 2. Kp. (which was indeed part of I./6) in August 1941 according to John P. Moore's "Führerliste der Waffen-SS". He succeeded SS-Hstuf. Karl Betzwieser (* 03.07.1912), and was succeeded himself by SS-Ustuf. Fritz Grond (* 04.04.1912).

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Post by Pena V » 10 Mar 2019 09:10

Karl Bezwieser was WIA 31 Jul 1941 so Brandt must have taken command early in August.

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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by FransN » 10 Mar 2019 11:26

Kiitos (Thanks) Pena,

In this way the list with commanding officers gets more and more detailed and accurate! Apparently, Betzwieser must have been the company CO (Kp. Chef) only for a short while during July 1941, since I have SS-Ostuf. Ewald Burk (* 19.01.1916) as Kp.Chef on 01.07.1941.

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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by Sissi232 » 22 Jul 2019 22:41

Hello Frans,
Ewald Burk was in a relationship with my grandma.
I'm searching informations about him.
Can you give me more about him, my father would be very interrested.
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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by FransN » 23 Jul 2019 13:45

Grüß dich Sissi. Welcome to Axis History Forum (AHF)!

In John P. Moore's "Führerliste der Waffen-SS" (Portland, USA, 2002) Ewald Burk is listed as follows:
Born 19.01.1916 in Friedensdorf
in 6./T.I.R. 3 in 12.38 as an Ustuf.
in 2./Inf. Rgt. 6 in 2.41 as an Ostuf.
in SS-Geb. AuE Btl. 6 in 10.42 as an Ostuf.
Chef 7./Pol. Inf. Rgt. 3 in 1.43 as an Hstuf.
Missing in action on 14.1.43

I don't know how familiar you are with the above terminology, so I try to explain it a bit more and give some additional info:

Burk served in the 6. Sturm of 3. SS-Totenkopfstandarte "Thüringen" (which was a unit associated with the concentration camp troops, the SS-Totenkopfverbände), in December 1938 as an SS-Untersturmführer (Ustuf. = lieutenant).
He is then listed as being in the 2. Kompanie (Kp.) of SS-Infanterie-Regiment 6 in February 1941 as an SS-Obersturmführer (Ostuf. = 1st lieutenant). This unit was part of SS-Kampfgruppe "Nord", later SS-Gebirgs-Division "Nord", fighting in the North of Finland for most of the war. In my personal archive I have listed him as the company commander (Kp. Chef) of 2./SS-Inf. Rgt. 6 on 01.07.1941. Later that month he became Kp. Chef of 3./SS-Inf. Rgt. 6, until he got wounded on 31.07.1941.
Moore lists him then as in SS-Geb. AuE Btl. 6 in 10.42 as an Ostuf. This unit was raised in late 1942 as SS-Gebirgs-Ausbildungs-und-Ersatz-Bataillon "Nord" in Wehlau/Ostpreussen, shortly thereafter transferred to Trautenau/Sudetenland, and in April 1943 to Hallein/Österreich. In October 1943 the battalion's name "Nord" changed to the number 6.
Moore lists him finally as Chef 7./Pol. Inf. Rgt. 3 in 1.43 as a SS-Hauptsturmführer (Hstuf. = captain). So he was company commander of the 7. Kompanie in the II. Bataillon (motorisiert), CO was Hstuf. Karl Liecke, of SS-Polizei-Infanterie-Regiment 3. This battalion formed part of a larger ad hoc battlegroup called Kampfgruppe Fegelein that was sent to southern Russia to stop the Russian breakthrough between the Don and Donetz rivers, west of Stalingrad
Moore does not mention a place where Ewald Burk went missing, but most likely this was 20-30 km. northwest of the Russian town of Kantemirowka, near the present day border between Russia and Ukraine. Source for this is Friedrich Husemann: "Die guten Glaubens waren", Geschichte der SS-Polizei-Division und 4. SS-Polizei-Panzer-Grenadier-Division, Band II, 1939-1945, Munin Verlag, Osnabrück, 1973.

Maybe the German Red Cross can give you more details about his missing.
Maybe the Volksdienst deutscher Kriegsgräber (VDK) can give you information about a possible grave site, if his body has been found.

This is all I have on Ewald Burk. I hope this has been useful to you. Good luck with your research!

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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by FransN » 05 Aug 2019 17:29

Спасибо Алберт (Thanks Albert)!
But pity that no year is indicated for the transfer on 1 November to the SS Ers. Btl. "Nord": 1941 or 1942???
And can you decipher what has been written with entry "12", especially the name of the unit?
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Post by Georg_S » 05 Aug 2019 18:56

Karl Burks SSO File is pretty big, if Albert doesnt do it I can take a look at it Tomorrow.

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Re: Bataillon commanders of SS-Gebirgsjäger-Regiment 11

Post by FransN » 05 Aug 2019 19:49

God kväll (good evening) Georg,
By all means, please do so! I would be most interested! Especially his role in the division "Nord"!
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