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Dr. Max Werner question

Post by stokas » 06 Jun 2003 19:40

What happend with Dr Max Werner, SS-Ostuf (1939), SS nr 280 251, NSDAP nr 3 382 513, born 05.04.1912, dezember '39 Kriminal-Kommissar in SiPo und SD Wiesbaden. He's not on DAL 11.1944(from SS-Staf)
Did anybody hear about him? What was his last rank?

Thanks , Mariusz(stokas)

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 06 Jun 2003 19:49

Nachname: Werner
Vorname: Max
Dienstgrad: SS-Hauptsturmführer
Geburtsdatum: 05.04.1912
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 16.03.1943

Max Werner ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Lommel (Belgien) .
Endgrablage: Block 44 Grab 236

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Hans

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Post by stokas » 06 Jun 2003 20:20

Thanks!!!
Did he died in fight or was it an illness? And if he died in fight -was he a Waffen-SS officer then?
Mariusz(stokas)

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Post by J.N. Houterman » 06 Jun 2003 21:54

I really have no idea. This is all I could find.

Success.

Hans

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Post by Mikedc » 03 Nov 2007 19:31

Dr. Max Werner was from 14-7-41 till 16-4-1943 head of the Aussendienststelle der Sipo und des SD in Antwerp(Belgium).
Before that he was employed within the RSHA in Berlin.
He was SS-Hauptsturmführer and Kriminalkommissar der Polizei.
He was killed/murdered on 16-4-1943 by another SD-man.


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Post by mulisch » 04 Nov 2007 17:55

Hello Mike,

I would be interesting in knowing wich SD man killed him and why, do you perhaps have this information ?

Thanks in avance,

Mulisch

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Post by Mikedc » 04 Nov 2007 22:30

Hello Mulisch,

I did found this info about his death on the cesegoma-site and this is what they said about it: Op 14 juli 1941 werd hij vervangen door de 29-
jarige SS-Hauptsturmführer en Kriminal-Kommissar dr. Max Werner, voordien verbonden aan het Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) in Berlijn. Ongeveer twee jaar later, op 16 april 1943, werd Werner in de burelen van de Sipo-SD neergekogeld. Over het motief van de dader – een zekere Korisck van de Antwerpse Sipo-SD, die net uit Polen was overgekomen – is tot dusver niets bekend.


On 16-4-1943 also SS-Ostuf and Kriminalsekretär Erich Welker was murdered. Welker was the first Stellvertreter and first Adjudant from the Chief of the Aussendienststelle in Antwerpen.


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Post by mulisch » 05 Nov 2007 19:46

Hello Mike,

First i want to thank you for your information, so the person who killed Dr. Max Werner was named Korisck and was and also a memeber of the Sipo-SD in Antwerp.

But there is mentioned that he just arrived from Poland, has he perhaps been a member of de Sipo-SD there before he came to Antwerp ?

Does somebody has more information about a person named Korisck and was a member of the Sipo-SD in Belgium or Poland ?

Thanks in advance,

Mulisch

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Post by -Michael » 08 Nov 2007 18:43

Hello
On this pdf you can see a picture of this Max Werner:
http://www.cegesoma.be/media/chtp_beg/c ... chtp16.pdf

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Re: Dr. Max Werner question

Post by keorn » 19 Aug 2015 11:53

Hey guys,

This is a late answer (12 years after the question was asked).

Max Werner, Otto Desselmann and Erich Welker were actually killed in a gun battle in Anvers/Antwerp Sipo-SD HQ. They were gunned down by Rudolf Kochsiek (from Bielefeld). Appartently he had been returning from the Eastern front where he did not quite well cope with the mass murder there and "lost his mind" on April 16, 1943. He was wounded during the gun fight and mortally wounded. He died on April 20, 1943. He is now buried, like his victims in Lommel German Military cemetery in Belgium.

Identity provided by the Volksbund when I made the research :

Max Werner, SS-Hauptsturmführer born 05.04.1912 in Dillingen/Saar
Otto Desselmann, SS-Hauptsturmführer born 09.02.1910 in Weitmar bei Bochum
Rudolf Kochsiek, Unteroffizier, born 30.10.1914 in Bielefeld

Did not find Welker.

I talk of this case in my 2nd book (Histoire de la Gestapo - 2013). Hope this helps after so many years.

Greg

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Re: Dr. Max Werner question

Post by PanYan1901 » 08 Oct 2017 12:03

Many years ago I owned the ID card of Dr. Max Werner. It was long before the computer and scanner but I have a photocopy which I post here.
Also an associated pass.

I’m new to this forum and found the story of Werner extraordinary.

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PanYan1901 (Roy)
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Re: Dr. Max Werner question

Post by Peter » 08 Oct 2017 16:35

that link above doesn't seem to be working, here is a fresh one
http://www.cegesoma.be/docs/media/chtp_ ... aerens.pdf
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Re: Dr. Max Werner question

Post by JoeW » 09 Oct 2017 06:25

PanYan1901 wrote:Many years ago I owned the ID card of Dr. Max Werner. It was long before the computer and scanner but I have a photocopy which I post here.
Also an associated pass.

I’m new to this forum and found the story of Werner extraordinary.

Regards,
PanYan1901 (Roy)
So you were the contributor of the image of his Ausweis in the SS Regalia book Jack Pia published back in the 1970s? Thank you for sharing.

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Re: Dr. Max Werner question

Post by PanYan1901 » 10 Oct 2017 07:30

Thanks for looking. Yes I was, many of the item sources are incorrectly listed on page 156.
My items were on pages 27, 28, 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 52, 53, 60, 61, 75, 77, 80, 81, 87, 118, 119, 127, 128, 129, 130 and 131.
Happy days when it was possible to find some little original gems.
All sold or exchanged for other interests.
Regards,
PanYan1901
(Roy)

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