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Re: The True Himmler

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Post by trespasser07 » 19 Feb 2021, 14:14

Is anyone getting this or should it be disregarded?
"We believe in what we do!" - written in Friedrich Rainer's Guestbook by Odilo Globocnik in April 1943.

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Post by wm » 21 Feb 2021, 13:34

It's interesting that Himmler's obsessions weren't really German or even Nazi in their nature.
As Albert Krebs noticed:
Now, the phantom images of the "Wise Men of Zion," world Freemasonry, and the Jesuit conspiracy did belong to the intellectual arsenal of the movement. But for most of the Nazi leaders, these things formed more of a propaganda subterfuge than an actual conviction. At the very least they were conscious of the exaggerations involved.
But there was a country where such obsessions were massive and part of state policy.
In 1926, a former Cheka man confided in Victor Serge, an old revolutionary, his secret knowledge of a monstrous plot. As Serge related their conversation,
The secret is that everything has been betrayed. From the years when Lenin was alive, treason has wormed its way into the Central Committee. He knows the names, he has the proofs. ... At the peril of his life, he is submitting his analysis of the gigantic crime, studied over years, to the Central Committee. He whispers the names of foreigners, of the most powerful capitalists, and of yet others which have an occult significance for him....I follow his chain of reasoning with the secret uneasiness that one feels in the presence of some lunatic logician.... But in all that he says, he is driven by one basic idea which is not the idea of a madman: "We did not create the Revolution to come to this.

This man may have been crazy, but the way of thinking was characteristic of Communists. Their work was being undermined by a conspiracy of people inside and outside the Soviet Union whose hatred of the revolution was absolute.
The Cheka man thought the center of the plot was the current party leadership, a position only marginally different from the one Stalin and Ezhov were to take in the Great Purges. For the rest, he was totally typical in his super-suspiciousness.

Foreign capitalists were in league with hostile forces within the country. The conspirators were hidden; only the most diligent efforts could unmask them. Finally, and perhaps most important, these conspirators, with their ingrained hatred of the Soviet Union, were making everything go wrong. There must be a conspiracy, because otherwise the fact that the revolution was not turning out as planned was inexplicable. Someone must be to blame.

The Soviet regime was adept at creating its own enemies, whom it then suspected of conspiracy against the state. It did so first by declaring that all members of certain social classes and estates—primarily former nobles, members of the bourgeoisie, priests, and kulaks—were by definition "class enemies," resentful of their loss of privilege and likely to engage in counterrevolutionary conspiracy to recover them.

The next step, taken at the end of the 1920s, was the "liquidation as a class" of certain categories of class enemies, notably kulaks and, to a lesser extent, Nepmen and priests. This meant that the victims were expropriated, deprived of the possibility of continuing their previous way of earning a living, and often arrested and exiled. Unfortunately this did not reduce the danger of conspiracy against the state but probably only increased it.
For, as Stalin (wise after the fact?) realized, a member of an enemy class did not become any better disposed to Soviet power after his class was liquidated. On the contrary, he was likely to be full of anger and resentment. The person who had been dekulakized was a more desperate, intransigent enemy than the kulak. Moreover, he had very likely fled to the cities and disguised himself, assuming a more acceptable identity as a worker. He had become a hidden enemy, hence more dangerous as a potential conspirator.
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Post by J. Duncan » 04 Mar 2021, 22:54

I ordered it back in late October / early November (haven’t heard a word) ....he’s probably still trying to get enough funding to print it (understandable as he gets denied this and that service for his views) He may yet die before
this darn book gets published. He lives from crisis to crisis I’m sure....the guy is 83 years old with health issues. Clock is ticking on his ability to be able to do much these days. I’m not holding my breath on this. It will probably be his final submission if it ever gets out.

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Post by Mark Costa » 05 Mar 2021, 17:14

According to others the book was to be back from the printers on February 23rd. So hopefully we will hear something soon.

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Post by trespasser07 » 05 Mar 2021, 19:16

Copies on uk Ebay £65.00 though plus postage
"We believe in what we do!" - written in Friedrich Rainer's Guestbook by Odilo Globocnik in April 1943.

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Post by J. Duncan » 05 Mar 2021, 22:09

Looks pretty slim (low pagination) for the price.
No wonder it’s in 2 volumes.
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Post by mil-archive » 06 Mar 2021, 01:24

That photograph, from the 94% feedback ebay sellers listing, is a photoshop mock up based on the cover image made to look like an actual in hand book.

The book is 700 pages + apparently.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/333902492915
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Post by mil-archive » 06 Mar 2021, 01:27

I would not buy from that seller. It looks like an over priced pre-order to me.

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Post by Sheldrake » 06 Mar 2021, 10:57

cardinal beaton wrote:
20 Feb 2021, 22:03
A lot of the hostility towards David Irving from fellow historians is due to professional jealousy, many being too lazy to access original source material and simply regurgitating material from past authors.
That isn't right. The hostility to David Irving is that he had more in common with err AHF obsessives than genuine commitment to the historic method. His detailed research appears to be aimed at finding evidence to support his pro Nazi world view rather than to establish an interpretation based on sources. In particular when it comes to sources the suspicion is that where Irving could not find a source he invented one or was very selective. TYhese are taken from the wikipedia entry on critical responses to David Irving
In a review of 1977... Trevor-Roper argued that: "He [Irving] seizes on a small, but dubious particle of 'evidence'; builds upon it, by private interpretation, a large general conclusion; and then overlooks or re-interprets the more substantial evidence and probability against it. Since this defective method is invariably used to excuse Hitler or the Nazis and to damage their opponents, we may reasonably speak of a consistent bias, unconsciously distorting the evidence"........"When a historian relies mainly on primary sources, which we can not easily check, he challenges our confidence and forces us to ask critical questions. How reliable is his historical method? How sound is his judgment? We ask these questions particularly of a man like Mr. Irving, who makes a virtue of — almost a profession — of using arcane sources to affront established opinions"....... "He may read his manuscript diaries correctly. But we can never be quite sure, and when he is at most original, we are likely to be least sure".
AJ P Taylor criticised Irving's double standard with historical judgements, using as an example Irving's claim that the lack of a written Führer order proves that Hitler did not know about the Holocaust while at the same time claiming that the lack of a written order proved that Churchill ordered the supposed murder of General Sikorski. (In Accident, Irving claimed that there was a written order for Sikorski's death , but that Churchill had it destroyed.)
in other words a sylistic resemblance to some arguments on AHF.. :)
John Keegan wrote in his book The Battle for History (1996): "Some controversies are entirely bogus, like David Irving's contention that Hitler's subordinates kept from him the facts of the Final Solution, the extermination of the Jews". In a 20 April 1996 review in The Daily Telegraph of Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich, Keegan wrote that Irving "knows more than anyone alive about the German side o the Second World War", and claimed that Hitler's War was "indispensable to anyone seeking to understand the war in the round"....... In the Daily Telegraph 2000 Keegan wrote gthat Irving had an "all-consuming knowledge of a vast body of material" and exhibited "many of the qualities of the most creative historians", that his skill as an archivist could not be contested, and that he was "certainly never dull". However, according to Keegan, "like many who seek to shock, he may not really believe what he says and probably feels astounded when taken seriously".
I knew John Keegan and respect his work. Irving is a useful source for the Nazi point of view, but is as reliable as Paul Carell in his bias.

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Post by J. Duncan » 10 Mar 2021, 22:30

Copies slowly trickling out (with inflated prices)
Showing now on abebooks.
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Post by Mark Costa » 01 Apr 2021, 18:47

Anyone receive theirs yet or have any info on when it might be released? Sent three emails to Focal Point Publishing for status but received nothing in response.

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Re: The True Himmler

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Post by Glenn2438 » 01 Apr 2021, 19:34

Mark,

I received my copy over a week ago.

Regards
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Post by Mark Costa » 01 Apr 2021, 21:28

Glenn2438 wrote:
01 Apr 2021, 19:34
Mark,

I received my copy over a week ago.

Regards
Glenn
Glenn:

Many thanks for confirming that they are being sent out. Much appreciated.

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Post by J. Duncan » 01 Apr 2021, 22:04

Mark
I’m still waiting too. I sent a query once but like yourself received no reply. It’s just slow moving out.... maybe sometime in April? We’ll see. (Let’s hope , lol)

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Re: The True Himmler

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Post by Sid Guttridge » 02 Apr 2021, 09:05

Interesting title.

It seems to be based on something Hitler said meaning "Faithfull Himmler".

However, clearly a decision has been made not to use this translation.

While "True Himmler" can mean the same thing in English, it is no longer common usage.

The word "True" is more usually associated with "The Truth".

Perhaps Irving is using a pun to have a dig at his opponents?

Cheers,

Sid.

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