"SS-Div. Frundsberg" in the Battle of Berlin

[Halfdan S.]

Hi,

in BA-MA Freiburg in the file MSG 2/11986 (Reymann) I came across a map named "Der militärische Zusammenbruch 1945. Die Kämpfe um Berlin. Bearbeitet von Dieter Gaedke, 1972. Massstab 1: 50000" - unfortunately I wasn't allowed to take photos/make copies from this file - but it seemingly shows "SS-Div. Frundsberg" fighting between Humbolthain and Friedrichshain?! Completely new to me ... did parts of the Frundsberg retreat into Berlin and then leave again north-west of the city?! Any thoughts?

Anyone know where Reymann would have gotten the Gaedke map from - was it published somewhere (it was a good quality print)?

Cheers
Halfdan S.

[GregSingh]

Historischer Handatlas von Brandenburg und Berlin, in Lieferung 40/41 (published by De Gruyter in 1972), has two maps:
Gaedke, Dieter: Der militärische Zusammenbruch 1945,
1: Die Kämpfe in Brandenburg, Maßstab I: 500.000;
2: Die Kämpfe in Berlin, Maßstab I: 50.000

[Alanmccoubrey]

Halfdan, according to Lexikon der Wehrmacht, Frundsberg was at Bautzen on 16th April 1945 so hardly in a position to find itself forced back into Berlin. I for one have never heard of F being involved in the battle.

[Bagaudas]

Good Morning.

The problem is that if there was a "Frundsberg" battalion, which fought in the Halbe Stock Exchange south of Berlin, however, the battalion would manage to reach the Elbe and surrender to the US units. Army. It was Brinkmann's battalion, the SS-Panzer Aufklärungs Abteilung 10.
Source: "In the Firestorm of the last Years of the War" Wilhelm Thieke.

The book alludes both to the different combats in which the 9.SS-Panzerdivision "Hohenstaufen" and the 10.SS-Panzerdivision "Frundsberg" participated, from their baptism of fire in Tarnopol, until the last combats in Austria regarding the "Hohenstaufen", in Bautzen, and in the Halbe stock exchange, in the southern area of Berlin, with respect to the "Frundsberg".

With regard to Berlin, I think the book does not refer to any unit in Berlin. Despite what I say I do not know if there was any unit of the "Frundsberg" apart from the one mentioned in the book.

All the best.

[Bagaudas]

Good morning again.

Sorry, I used the translator and did not correct it. I think it is understood, but just in case, I repeat with Halbe I mean the encirclement of troops south of Berlin.

A greeting.
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[Halfdan S.]

Got the map, please post your comments - any signs whatsoever that Frundsberg fought in Berlin?

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Cheers
Halfdan S.

[Alanmccoubrey]

Not seen Frundsberg shown in that location before.

[Tamari]

Hi,

could this writing on the map be a pure stupid mistake and we are not talking about Frundsberg but the remains of the Nordland Division which were deployed around Flakbunker Humboldthain and later surrendered in the Schultheis brewery.

Only my five cents, nothing more nothing less. Sorry, if I have highjacked this thread with nonsense.

Best regards
Robert

[Halfdan S.]

Thanks, I off course agree with you, Robert, though such a mistake is beyond stupid - I believe Nordland were more southwards, going in round Oberschönweide/Köpenick, retreating towards the city center.

Regards
Halfdan S.

[lazybather]

According to Tony Le Tissier's 'Race for the Reichstag (p.88) he places what he describes as the 'GD' R and a Volkssturm btl. in this sector.

No mention of the 'Frundsberg'.

Stuart.

[Alanmccoubrey]

In their 1992 book "The Fall of Berlin" , Anthony Read and David Fisher state that some of the participants in Hitler's final "Birthday Parade" were from Frundsberg (Page 335). This would be the well known "parade" where he is seen with the boy soldiers. Sadly the authors also state that Frundsberg had just been withdrawn from Kurland which is not true and so throws their statement into doubt, they also claim that the "Freikorps Adolf Hitler" had 2000 volunteers so these statements along with the fact that they don't cite any sources makes their claims had to substantiate.

[GregSingh]

This would be the well known "parade" where he is seen with the boy soldiers

AH met with "battle tested" HJ members on March 20th, a month before his birthday.
It was featured in newsreel released on March 21st.
That was the last known AH appearance in the newsreel.

[Alanmccoubrey]

This would be the well known "parade" where he is seen with the boy soldiers

AH met with "battle tested" HJ members on March 20th, a month before his birthday.
It was featured in newsreel released on March 21st.
That was the last known AH appearance in the newsreel.

The book refers to a "Birthday Parade" with SS and HJ but as I said I don't place a great reliance in it, I was just showing that someone did refer to Frundsberg in Berlin, even if only a few men.