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23 May 1945
Today,23 May,is the day of SS Leader Himmler commited to suicide in British captivity.
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Indeed, today is that anniversary;
Unless you wonder about the fact that when interrogated he couldn't remember his proper SS number,
he couldn't recall his correct Party number,
there was no scar evident from the old fencing wound which can be seen in archive photographs.
The corpse is alleged to have had facial asymmetry when looking at pictures of the nose, something Himmler didn't have.
Plus of course the one about the Seargent who drove off and buried his corpse who couoldn't even drive and had no license, who actually went off with a detail of 3 men which was covered up.
Indeed, even the fact that the body was re-exhumed twice and a second post mortem carried out look suspiciously to me like someone wondered if he was really dead, plus he said himself in early May he would never commit suicide. [Also all files on Himmlers suicide are classified intil 2046!]
Himmlers dentists assistant who did work on Himmler refused to speak to an author AFTER being shown charts of the corpses dentition...but had talked about Himmler prior to this - seems like he would have had to have had extra dental work done by another dentist and aquired a dead tooth in the last few months of the war as well...
Himmler's deaths anniversary..? I wouldn't want to argue that the corpse wasn't Himmler, I wasn't there at the time so I'll make that clear for the forum members now, just that certain things need clearing up for me.
Probably....we'll have to wait and see when the files are declassifieid for the real reasons as to why people were so worried at the time whether he was really dead...if there's anything left in the files of course
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Matt G
Unless you wonder about the fact that when interrogated he couldn't remember his proper SS number,
he couldn't recall his correct Party number,
there was no scar evident from the old fencing wound which can be seen in archive photographs.
The corpse is alleged to have had facial asymmetry when looking at pictures of the nose, something Himmler didn't have.
Plus of course the one about the Seargent who drove off and buried his corpse who couoldn't even drive and had no license, who actually went off with a detail of 3 men which was covered up.
Indeed, even the fact that the body was re-exhumed twice and a second post mortem carried out look suspiciously to me like someone wondered if he was really dead, plus he said himself in early May he would never commit suicide. [Also all files on Himmlers suicide are classified intil 2046!]
Himmlers dentists assistant who did work on Himmler refused to speak to an author AFTER being shown charts of the corpses dentition...but had talked about Himmler prior to this - seems like he would have had to have had extra dental work done by another dentist and aquired a dead tooth in the last few months of the war as well...
Himmler's deaths anniversary..? I wouldn't want to argue that the corpse wasn't Himmler, I wasn't there at the time so I'll make that clear for the forum members now, just that certain things need clearing up for me.
Probably....we'll have to wait and see when the files are declassifieid for the real reasons as to why people were so worried at the time whether he was really dead...if there's anything left in the files of course
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Matt G
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None of the key witnesses in Allied hands were ever allowed anywhere near the corpse immediately after death, neither Himmler's brother Gephard or his mistress Hedwig Potthast, or indded his wife or daughter. When the body was first exhumed Walther Schellenberg was asked to identify the body and this later led to a second post mortem, but why...???
Interesting anyhow. And yes he could have said another number but why, to make the allies think he was not Himmler, when he had already said he was? Any military person will be able to tell you their number, its a part of their job, something they remember for life. A man obsessed with detail like Himmler would haver known his number. I guess the theory being that a double was used and Himmler escaped. who knows for sure..? It has been written that some people thought that when they entered captivity it looked like 'Himmler' was being guarded by his adjutants rather than escorted.
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Interesting anyhow. And yes he could have said another number but why, to make the allies think he was not Himmler, when he had already said he was? Any military person will be able to tell you their number, its a part of their job, something they remember for life. A man obsessed with detail like Himmler would haver known his number. I guess the theory being that a double was used and Himmler escaped. who knows for sure..? It has been written that some people thought that when they entered captivity it looked like 'Himmler' was being guarded by his adjutants rather than escorted.
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Matt G
Re: 23 May 1945
Well, if that really was the case then how do you explain this film clip from the Potsdam Conference?Tolga Alkan wrote:Today,23 May,is the day of SS Leader Himmler commited to suicide in British captivity.
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This is one subject that has always puzzled me. Why would the second most powerful man in the Third Reich allow himself to wind up dressed in someone elses clothes and disguised as a common soldier, then admit his true identity ???
Does not make sense. History shows that Himmler was bending over backwards trying to make a peace with the west and continue fighting in the east. History shows he thought himself the next tru ruler of a Post war Germany working hand in hand with the future western allies againts the Red Beast.
Why would a man of such power and wealth allow his life to end that way. The SS had a vast fortune, an incredible contact system over Europe and in his last HQ he still had the ability to flee. I cannot see a man with his inteligence wanting to die like he did. I have also read books questioning his final moments and the moments after his death and the medical results etc and I think they really made a mess of it. You would think after fighting these guys for so long they would want to have proof positive that they had the right person.
All very suss to me.
Hoo-Roo
Scragz
Does not make sense. History shows that Himmler was bending over backwards trying to make a peace with the west and continue fighting in the east. History shows he thought himself the next tru ruler of a Post war Germany working hand in hand with the future western allies againts the Red Beast.
Why would a man of such power and wealth allow his life to end that way. The SS had a vast fortune, an incredible contact system over Europe and in his last HQ he still had the ability to flee. I cannot see a man with his inteligence wanting to die like he did. I have also read books questioning his final moments and the moments after his death and the medical results etc and I think they really made a mess of it. You would think after fighting these guys for so long they would want to have proof positive that they had the right person.
All very suss to me.
Hoo-Roo
Scragz
This is one subject that has always puzzled me. Why would the second most powerful man in the Third Reich allow himself to wind up dressed in someone elses clothes and disguised as a common soldier, then admit his true identity ???
Does not make sense. History shows that Himmler was bending over backwards trying to make a peace with the west and continue fighting in the east. History shows he thought himself the next tru ruler of a Post war Germany working hand in hand with the future western allies againts the Red Beast.
Why would a man of such power and wealth allow his life to end that way. The SS had a vast fortune, an incredible contact system over Europe and in his last HQ he still had the ability to flee. I cannot see a man with his inteligence wanting to die like he did. I have also read books questioning his final moments and the moments after his death and the medical results etc and I think they really made a mess of it. You would think after fighting these guys for so long they would want to have proof positive that they had the right person.
All very suss to me.
Hoo-Roo
Scragz
Does not make sense. History shows that Himmler was bending over backwards trying to make a peace with the west and continue fighting in the east. History shows he thought himself the next tru ruler of a Post war Germany working hand in hand with the future western allies againts the Red Beast.
Why would a man of such power and wealth allow his life to end that way. The SS had a vast fortune, an incredible contact system over Europe and in his last HQ he still had the ability to flee. I cannot see a man with his inteligence wanting to die like he did. I have also read books questioning his final moments and the moments after his death and the medical results etc and I think they really made a mess of it. You would think after fighting these guys for so long they would want to have proof positive that they had the right person.
All very suss to me.
Hoo-Roo
Scragz