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PARTY AND SS NUMBERS

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Post by c.g. » 27 Nov 2003, 19:44

I am wondering if there is a way to see by the SS and NSDAP number of a person the period he entered in those organisation. Does anyone have a lue?
I mean like being able to detect from the membership numbers if the person became a Mitglied in the 1920es, before 1933, from 1933 to 1939, from 1939 on.
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Post by Peter » 27 Nov 2003, 20:13

I have seen several suggestions on the correlation between numbers and dates and they do work.

I think that this is a subject which needs to be explored, we need some way that we can all contribute numbers and dates that we know to be accurate from BDC files etc

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Post by c.g. » 27 Nov 2003, 23:29

Somehow I was hoping someone got it already worked out, maybe in book. Yours is a very good idea indeed.
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Post by Phil Nix » 28 Nov 2003, 11:30

I am not sure about SS numbers but I have read somewhere that Party numbers cannot be used to establish joining date because in the late 1920's newcomers where given numbers over 1,000 to cover up the lack of members.
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Post by John P. Moore » 28 Nov 2003, 21:09

Some years ago Bernie Brulé in Canada published "The Key". It lists over 19,000 SS Numbers and identifies the name of the person belonging to a number. This publication has been very useful to collectors who have some relic such as a dagger where only the recipient`s name is stamped on it. More information can be found here:

http://www.ssocr.com/collectorinfo/the_key.htm
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Post by HM » 30 Nov 2003, 18:13

Hi,

There seems to be correlation between SS-Numbers and the date they joined. According to Robert Koehl/The Black Corps numbers 2-1299 indicate a membership before 1929. Members with SS-Numbers 1300-2000 became member in 1929.

As of know I'm working on a list of the first 1299 members(put together out of the several DAL) including the official entry dates I know. I will post it soon, perhaps we can complete it on this forum.

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A few early number I have...

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 30 Nov 2003, 19:14

I am sure you iwll have these but just in case, names and SS numbers.

Maurice Emil 2
Beck Johann 179
Deubel Heinrich 186
Bachl Eduard 651
Jeppe Wilhelm 679
Mцckel Karl 908
Aumeier Georg 1237
Unger Konrad 1292

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Post by Phil Nix » 01 Dec 2003, 14:20

Here are some more SS men with low numbers taken from, SS Personalbefehl No 14 20 June 1934
SS Truppführer Gottfried Hartig Nr 373
SS Sturmführer Hans Hoch Nr 586
SS Truppführer Thomas Frank Nr 395
" Christian Barth Nr 68
" Gustav Hübschmann Nr 582
" Hans Schärtel Nr 634
" Willy Bauereiss Nr 64
" Hans Bauer Nr 934
" Michael Kreppner Nr 399
" Ernst Alt Nr 457
All of the above were attached to 3 SS Standarter
SS Sturmhauptführer Emeran Schmid Nr 34 SS Führer z.b.V. 1 Sta
SS Truppführer Josef Kluher Nr 528
" Eduard Hiebel Nr 477
" Franz Danzer Nr 476
" Josef Erlmeier Nr 475
" Michael Angerstorser Nr 891
" Franz Lermer Nr 492
" Adolf Schluttenhofer Nr 590
" Karl Pichler Nr 589
" Hans Hofmann Nr 685
" Leo Grasmeier Nr 588
SS Mann Josef Huber Nr 594
All attached to 31 Standarte
SS Truppführer Hans Kronwitter Nr 488
" Karl Weckerlein Nr 483
Attached to 34 Standarte
SS Obertruppführer Albert Schnepff Nr 442
" Arno Lippmann Nr 439
SS Truppführer Walter Nuglisch Nr 925
" FRanz Wittmann Nr 845
" Karl Heim Nr 871
attached to 41 Standarte
SS Truppführer Adam Michael Nr 861
SS Sturmann Georg Spörl Nr 824
attached to 68 Standarte
SS Truppführer Adolf Pinner Nr 789 beim I/Politische Bereitschaft SS Standarte 1
SS Truppführer Ludwig Merk Nr 658 beim 32 Standarte
SS Truppführer Buscher (no Christian name given) Nr 760
" H. Bottelsberger Nr 753
" Georg Ruppert Nr 752
" Heinrich Heck Nr 856
" Adam Bäcker Nr 855
SS Obersturmführer Ludwig Seehaus Nr 705
attached to 33 Standarte
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Post by Phil Nix » 01 Dec 2003, 14:33

Low SS Numbers from SS Personabefehl Nr 14 dated 20 June 1934.
SS Truppführer Christian Barth Nr 68
SS Truppführer Willy Bauereiss Nr 64
SS Sturmhauptführer Emeran Schmid Nr 34
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Post by Phil Nix » 02 Dec 2003, 14:50

Sorry about the above I do not know what went wrong
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Post by Phil Nix » 02 Dec 2003, 14:52

Can any of the moderators correct my error
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Hmmm

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 02 Dec 2003, 14:57

What did you post up there..??!!!
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Post by HM » 02 Dec 2003, 15:21

Hi,

As can be seen from this dates there is a correlation between the SS-Number awarded and the official entry date.

I hope those who have access to BDC files can fill in other numbers with their entry dates

1925-1928, SS-Nr.2-1299

SS-NR.2 MAURICE, EMIL
SS-NR.5 SCHRECK, JULIUS 01.11.1925
SS-NR.7 SCHAUB, JULIUS 01.11.1925
SS-NR.26 GRAF, ULRICH 01.11.1925
SS-NR.50 HESS, RUDOLF 01.11.1925
SS-NR.70 MÜLLER, ERHARD 22.10.1925
SS-NR.135 GRIMMINGER, JAKOB 25.02.1926
SS-NR.153 LEYSER, ERNST 28.09.1925
SS-NR.156 FISCHER, ALBERT 01.10.1925
SS-NR.158 FOSTER, ALBERT 12.05.1926
SS-NR.176 ZENNER, CARL 16.04.1926
SS-NR.179 BECK, JOHANN 14.07.1926
SS-NR.180 LASSAK, JULIUS 25.01.1926
SS-NR.186 DEUBEL, HEINRICH 31.08.1926
SS-NR.296 WEIDERMANN, WILLY 24.03.1926
SS-NR.297 LOHSE, RUDOLF 01.03.1926
SS-NR.555 BORMANN, MARTIN HONORARY NUMBER
SS-NR.674 WEGE, KURT 08.07.1926
SS-NR.679 JEPPE, WILHELM 10.07.1926
SS-NR.880 OHLENDORF, OTTO
SS-NR.907 SCHLEGEL, FRIEDRICH 27.12.1926
SS-NR.908 MÖCKEL, KARL 25.12.1926
SS-NR.1119DALUEGE, KURT 25.07.1930
SS-NR.1152WEICKERT, PAUL 01.01.1928
SS-NR.1167 HENZE, MAX 07.06.1927
SS-NR.1177 DIETRICH, JOSEPH 05.05.1928
SS-NR.1292 UNGER, KONRAD 12.11.1928
SS-NR.1297DERNEHL, FRIEDRICH 09.11.1928

MARTIN BORMANNS ORIGINAL SS-NR.278267, HE OFFICIALY JOINED 30.01.1937
KURT DALUEGE WAS PROBABLY ALSO REWARDED AN HONORARY NUMBER. HIS SS-NUMBER DATES AROUND END OF 1927


SS-Nr.1300-2000 members in 1929

SS-NR.1327DÖRING, HANS 06.01.1929
SS-NR.1332HENNICKE, PAUL 24.02.1929
SS-NR.1386EBERSTEIN, FRIEDRICH 01.04.1929
SS-NR.1397LUDWIG, KURT 01.04.1929
SS-NR.1421ALTNER, GEORG 10.05.1929
SS-NR.1642 BENSON, KURT 00.08.1929
SS-NR.1707 STARK, WILHELM 22.08.1929
SS-NR.1725 HELWIG, HANS 28.05.1929
SS-NR.1789TEICHMANN, LUDWIG 01.06.1929
SS-NR.1940 BRACK, VIKTOR 01.12.1929
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Re: Hmmm

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Post by Phil Nix » 02 Dec 2003, 15:22

Matt Gibbs wrote:What did you post up there..??!!!
cheers M
If you look there is a list of low numbered SS man fro a Personalbefehl dated June 1934
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Post by Peter » 02 Dec 2003, 15:45

Gentlemen
this is facinating - I believe that we have the opportunity here to work out some sort of a de-coder for enlistment dates (within a bit anyway).

I'll dig out some known SS numbers/enlistment dates and maybe if we all add some we can produce something very useful here.

Phil - I'm going to have to research some of those names and see what became of them.

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