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Post by Germania » 12 Dec 2003 18:23

I can´t find an good translation for HIAG in english can anybody help?

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Post by Erhard Heiden » 02 Nov 2005 04:53

http://www.reichslieder.com/HIAG_donate.html

"Help Waffen-SS Veterans

HIAG (Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS) is an organization of Waffen-SS veterans that helps other Waffen-SS vets who were wounded or handicapped and are having trouble making ends meet in their golden years. Men who fought in the Waffen-SS do not receive any veterans' benefits.

100% of your donation will go directly to the HIAG in Munich! "

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Post by JPK » 02 Nov 2005 06:32

About the history of HIAG
Have a look at the post of Klar zum Gefecht at:
viewtopic.php?t=88738&highlight=

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 02 Nov 2005 13:58

HIAG (Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS) is an organization of Waffen-SS veterans that helps other Waffen-SS vets who were wounded or handicapped and are having trouble making ends meet in their golden years. Men who fought in the Waffen-SS do not receive any veterans' benefits.


Actually, I believe German W-SS veterans do receive benefits now. The "wounded or handicapped" bit is a smokescreen. The organization promotes extreme-right and neo-Nazi causes.

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Post by jv » 02 Nov 2005 23:11

In an article by Otto Kumm, former General of the Waffen SS, which appeared in Der Freiwillige, he notes that the origin of HIAG goes back to 1949. Kameraden of the former 7. SS-Freiwilligen-Gebirgs-Division "Prinz Eugen" got together in Hamburg to form a group with the objective to assist ex-Waffen SS members in prison and in financial need and to combat the defamation of the Waffen SS by the Nuremberg trials. This small group grew quickly from 50 to 100. They decided on the name Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit (HIAG): Fellowship for Mutual Support. In the following months the numbers grew to 700-800 men. In 1951 the number of members in the club were 1500 to 1700. The HIAG movement mushroomed all over Germany. The spread of information came from the original publication "Ausweg" which was later replaced by "Wiking Ruf" (published by Herbert Otto Gille). In the 50s and 60s the HIAG was quite active organizing meetings and get-togethers (Tagungen). The meetings and get-togethers with the marches always attracted a lot of mostly negative publicity. As the key leaders of HIAG died the HIAG movement lost its impetus and is no longer active. The HIAG movement was only partly successful in clearing the Waffen SS reputation (the motto being that they were soldiers like any others). In a way, HIAG was the final chapter of the history of the Waffen SS. jv

Pictures: HIAG meeting: speaker Meyer and HIAG-Tagung in Verden (1952) with Steiner and Gille in front (source: Der Spiegel).
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Post by John P. Moore » 03 Nov 2005 05:51

Rob - WSSOB Where do you get your information that the HIAG supports neo-Nazi and extreme right-wing causes? Officially, the HIAG disbanded some years ago as a national organization with some chapters still being active at the local level. It evolved into the successor organization, "Kriegsgräberstiftung - Wenn alle Brüder Schweigen - The objective of that organization is to raise money for the maintenance of veteran cemeteries. I have received their mailings for several years and have found nothing that was in the least bit extremist. Below is a portion of last Junes's newsletter where it will be noted that Hubert Meyer's name is at the bottom. Hubert Meyer is a former official of the HIAG.

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Post by Dimitrii » 03 Nov 2005 11:38

Rob - WSSOB wrote:The organization promotes extreme-right and neo-Nazi causes.


What's the source for this? It certainly sounds like very cheap slander. I'd also like an example of the "promotion of neo-nazi causes".

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 04 Nov 2005 01:44

A couple of online references:

Articles about HIAG and extreme-right from an-antifascist publication in Germany:

http://www.antifaschistische-nachrichte ... ffenSS.php
http://www.antifaschistische-nachrichte ... 22/014.htm
http://www.antifaschistische-nachrichte ... 20/017.htm
http://www.antifaschistische-nachrichte ... dsaach.htm

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This is from a Norwegian site:
http://www.magasinet-monitor.net/english/annual97.htm
Institutt for norsk okkupasjonshistorie (Institute for the History of
Occupied Norway)
Leader: Knut Baardseth

This institute is not an authentic research institution. It is a revisionist
organisation for such wartime criminals as former members of the Quisling
party and the Waffen SS. Its main purpose is to cleanse their reputation and
defend their actions during World War II. The institute awards scholarships
to students who want to write about the Second World War.
The milieu around the „institute‰ arranges trips to the old battlefields on
the eastern fronts and cultivate their contacts with different SS veteran
organisations such as the German organisation HIAG. They also have an active
branch of the Kammeradenwerk korps Steiner. Last year there seems to have
been increased activity around the institute, as they have managed to raise
money for their work and mobilise younger forces, such as the people in The
Norwegian Patriot Unity party.


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from http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com/e ... ans003.asp
12. Remer was filmed at the April 1990 meeting in Munich referred to above,
at which Irving was the star speaker. Remer had close connections to the
Institute of Historical Review, and spoke at its Eighth International
Revisionist Conference in 1987 on ŒMy Role in Berlin on July 20, 1944‚. In
1990 The Journal of Historical Review carried an interview with him
ascribing wartime atrocities against the Jews to Ukrainians and Russians. He
was active in the HIAG, an organisation for ex-members of the SS with which
Irving also had contacts. Irving knew Remer, therefore, and had a high
opinion of him, which he expressed on Remer‚s death in October 1997 in an
obituary praising him, among other things, for remaining Œloyal to the old
cause‚. Irving‚s website posted a letter from Remer‚s widow expressing
gratitude Œfor what you sent‚ and complaining that the German government had
cancelled her widow‚s pension.


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See also
viewtopic.php?t=10476


I can provide additional, published references if necessary.

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Post by John P. Moore » 04 Nov 2005 02:04

Reading something on the Internet does not make it a fact. It is only information that one can choose to agree or disagree with.

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 04 Nov 2005 05:17

(sigh) Well then, let's look at some quotes from published sources:

From pages 252-58, The Waffen-SS: Hitler's Elite Guard at War 1939-45 by George H. Stein, published
by Cornell University Press in 1966.

...In order to press their claims for personal, political and financial rehabilitation,
former Waffen-SS men began to organize on a local basis. Out of these local efforts grew the
Mutual Aid Society of the Waffen-SS, or HIAG der Waffen-SS (Hilfsorganisation auf Gegenseitigkeit der Waffen-SS), which publishes a magazine called Der Freiwillige, finances the publication of apologetics by former members of the Waffen-SS, runs a library devoted to circulating neo-Nazi tracts,holds annual 'help-find-lost comrades' conventions," drawing thousands of ex-SS men, and lobbies incessantly for legitimacy for its members.

...A close reading of the material offered by the two principal factions in the controversy make
inescapable the conclusion that neither the apologists nor the accusers are primarily interested in
the truth. Both sides are in fact playing for higher stakes. Kurt Hirsch, author of one of the
more convincing tracts in the recent crop of journalistic inditements of the Waffen-SS, is of the
opinion that "the [apologist] propaganda of the past few years is not really concerned with the welfareof 'widows and orphans' or 'disabled veterans'; rather, it is directed towards a rehabilitation of the wartime Waffen SS, and with it the whole evil National Socialist system.'"
The controversy surrounding the criminality of the Waffen SS, then, may be viewed as part of a larger political and ideological struggle between liberal and conservative elements in present-day Germany."




Quoted from page 63-64: The Beast Reawakens by Martin Lee, published by Little, Brown and Co, 1997

...Picking up where Goebbels had left off, HIAG spokesmen portrayed the Waffen SS - including the Death's Head division that ran the concentration camps - as idealists who defended European civilization against the Asiatic Bolshvevik swarm. German soldiers were similarily glorified in hundreds of cheap, popular war-adventure novels, replete with sex and sadism, that inundated West Germany during the 1950's. Nationalistic publishing houses also churned out memoirs of numerous Third Reich warriors, including several books by Colonel Otto Skorzeny, who exonerated the Hiter regime by blaming death-camp atrocitiesmon a handful of wayward fanatics. "It is a malevolent twisting of the facts to pretend that the Waffen-SS
had anything to do with the concentration camp horrors," Skorzeny wrote in We Fought - We Lost. Commenting on another autobiographical treatise, Skorzeny's Secret Missions, a New York Times reviewer concluded: "If a new Hitler appeared in Germany tomorrow, one feels after reading this book, Skorzeny would be by his side." (footnote 43)

Skorzeny was a real-life hero to many Waffen SS men who attended annual HIAG meetings, where old soldiers dressed in military drag (with illegal SS insignia) drank an abundance of beer, sang war songs, and listened to their leaders exhort them to work for the resurrection "of our holy German Reich." Such intemperate displays were particularly problematic for Chancellor Adenauer, who sought to generate support among veterans for his number one policy initiative - the American-backed plan to remilitarize the Federal Republic so that it could
contribute to the defense of Western Europe.

...Seeking to take the winf out of the SRP's sails and to boost his lagging popularity, Chancellor Adenauer becaome an outspoken advocate of HIAG and other soldiers associations...As for the Waffen SS, they "were soldiers like all the rest" Adenauer insisted. His courtship of this fickle constituency, which had mixed feelings about rapid remilitarization on U.S. terms, led to generous government subsidies of ultranationalist publications. One Bonn-financed
magazine, the HIAG-affiliaed Deutsche Soldaten Zeitung, was banned in Austria because of its "openly pan-German and neo-Nazi content." (footnote 47)

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Post by Dimitrii » 04 Nov 2005 15:34

ROB SS quotes from websites of the German extreme-left ? Is this supposed to be a joke? I asked for sources, any child can type in HIAG in Google and present the extremist websites here. For example "neo-nazi" quotes of H. Meyer or F. Steiner - or any concrete kind of evidence for your sayings. Especially the agitation book "The beast rewakens" has really laughable content with no sort of proof or footnotes. I'm sure it's very thrilling for ROB-SS to read all this very graphical and even porn-like talk about runes, Skorzeny and forbidden ideas but so far there has been nothing to back up his statements. It certainly takes a very naive person to simply believe anything google gives you as searchresults or "I read it in a book".

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Post by Dimitrii » 04 Nov 2005 15:39

I just re-read some of the books SS-ROb seems to have in his library, have a look at this nonsense he quotes:

Skorzeny was a real-life hero to many Waffen SS men who attended annual HIAG meetings, where old soldiers dressed in military drag (with illegal SS insignia) drank an abundance of beer, sang war songs, and listened to their leaders exhort them to work for the resurrection "of our holy German Reich."


Is there any credible source for this listed in this book? Anybody who ever attended a veteran meeting knows that it is exactly the opposite as it is described here. But what a thrill it must be for the political fanatics to read these books - drunken SS-men with illegal insignia wanting Hitler back!

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 04 Nov 2005 16:29

ROB SS quotes from websites of the German extreme-left ?


Prove to us that GNN-Verlag is from the extreme left.


Is this supposed to be a joke? I asked for sources, any child can type in HIAG in Google and present the extremist websites here. For example "neo-nazi" quotes of H. Meyer or F. Steiner - or any concrete kind of evidence for your sayings.


I didn't present any quotes from Hubert Meyer (12th SS staff officer) or quotes from Felix Steiner (SS General and postwar author of various books that promoted the W-SS as a European army theme) so I am not sure what you are talking about.


Especially the agitation book "The beast rewakens"


See http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/041592 ... s&v=glance


has really laughable content with no sort of proof or footnotes.


Go back to the quoted text above - note "Footnote 43" and "Footnote 47"

Footnote 43: Dennis Eisenberg, Re-Emergence of Fascism, p.207; Lawrence van Gelder, "Otto Skorzeny, Dead, Rescued Mussolini from Italian Peak," New York Times, July 8, 1975. State department officials were concerned that some of the profits from the sale of Skorzeny's memiors were being used to support neo-Nazi activity (see outgoing telegram from Frankfurt, August 7, 1950, U.S. State Department document 762A.52/8-750 in National Archives civil division.)

Footnote 47: Charles Whiton, Adenauer, p89; Del Boca and Giovana, Fascism Today, p.103; Large, "Reckoning without the Past"; Tauber, Eagle and Swastika, pp. 300-01.


I'm sure it's very thrilling for ROB-SS to read all this very graphical and even porn-like talk about runes, Skorzeny and forbidden ideas but so far there has been nothing to back up his statements. It certainly takes a very naive person to simply believe anything google gives you as searchresults or "I read it in a book".


This being a research forum, members like you and me are supposed to present research in the form of quotes and references to online sources, published materials and archives. I have done so, and you have not.

Anybody who ever attended a veteran meeting knows that it is exactly the opposite as it is described here.


Are you speaking from personal experience? Maybe you haven't been invited to the right meetings. ;)

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Post by Rob - wssob2 » 04 Nov 2005 16:39

You should read Kurt Meyers autobiography, "Grenadiers" and find out what HIAG was really about. Not politics but a veterans organisation, pure and simple.


I've scanned though it a couple of times, although I must admit after reading works by Skorzeny, Otto Kumm, Hubert Meyer et. al. W-SS memiors get a little tendentious. BTW you did know Kurt Meyer was a convicted war criminal, right?

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