Higher SS / SA-ranks as Kriegs- / Militärverwaltungschefs

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Re: Higher SS / SA-ranks as Kriegs- / Militärverwaltungschef

Post by Igor Karpov » 21 Jun 2010 12:51

Militärverwaltungsvizechef and SS-Oberführer Martin Matthiessen.

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 21 Jun 2010 16:45

Transpspeer wrote:Militärverwaltungsvizechef and SS-Oberführer Martin Matthiessen.

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An outstanding pic, dear Igor :D Sincere thanks for sharing !!
What is the source please ?!

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Post by Igor Karpov » 21 Jun 2010 16:51

Dieter Zinke wrote:An outstanding pic, dear Igor :D Sincere thanks for sharing !!
What is the source please ?!

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Thank You, Dieter!

Igor knows how to please the old Oberstab. :D

http://cgi.ebay.de/Erinnerungen-Martin- ... 5ad5ec7481

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Re: Higher SS / SA-ranks as Kriegs- / Militärverwaltungschef

Post by Igor Karpov » 21 Sep 2010 08:33

freiherr wrote:May I present to you a beautiful needle from the Ebay hay stack Militärverwaltungvizechef Dr.rer.techn. Richard Wagner :P taken 30.11.42 in Krasny Bor
The photo of Kriegsverwaltungsabteilungschef Busch, Leiter der Abteilung 3. :P
Date/Place: 30.11.42/Krasny Bor
Courtesy: Freiwillige Collection.

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 23 Sep 2010 08:47

Igor Karpov wrote: The photo of Kriegsverwaltungsabteilungschef Busch, Leiter der Abteilung 3. :P
Date/Place: 30.11.42/Krasny Bor
Courtesy: Freiwillige Collection.

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Dear Igor,

thanks for the outstanding pic. But there is a problem: Is the name correct ??
I think it could be Dr. Werner Bosch, in 1942 Militärverwaltungsabteilungschef, since 1943 Militärverwaltungsvizechef and until 31.10.1943 Leiter der Chefgruppe Wirtschaft der Wirtschaftsinspektion Mitte

Dr. Werner Bosch was succeeding Kriegsverwaltungsvizechef Dr. iur. Paul Burger -
and he was succeeded by the Heeresgruppenwirtschaftsführer Mitte, GLt z. V. Günther Niedenführ
(01.11.1943 - 09.01.1944 and 02.03.1944 - 00.00.1944)


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Post by Igor Karpov » 24 Sep 2010 08:16

Dieter Zinke wrote:Dear Igor,

thanks for the outstanding pic. But there is a problem: Is the name correct ??
I think it could be Dr. Werner Bosch, in 1942 Militärverwaltungsabteilungschef, since 1943 Militärverwaltungsvizechef and until 31.10.1943 Leiter der Chefgruppe Wirtschaft der Wirtschaftsinspektion Mitte

Dr. Werner Bosch was succeeding Kriegsverwaltungsvizechef Dr. iur. Paul Burger -
and he was succeeded by the Heeresgruppenwirtschaftsführer Mitte, GLt z. V. Günther Niedenführ
(01.11.1943 - 09.01.1944 and 02.03.1944 - 00.00.1944)


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Dear Dieter,

Maybe you're right and we have a mistake here from PK-photographer. Here is the Rückseite.

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Post by Igor Karpov » 04 Oct 2010 09:46

Another one for Dieter. :D

SS-Brigadeführer Peter Hansen, Generaldirektor Oskars Dankers and Militärverwaltungsvizechef and SS-Oberführer Martin Matthiessen (now with KVK I. Klasse mit Schwertern).

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 04 Oct 2010 13:55

:D
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Post by Igor Karpov » 04 Dec 2010 14:21

Dieter Zinke wrote:Militärverwaltungsabteilungschef ( !!! ) Prof. Dr. phil. Alexander Langsdorff, SS-Standartenführer since February 1944 Leiter der Abteilung Kunstschutz beim Chef der Militärverwaltung beim Bevollmächtigten Deutschen General in Norditalien
His colleagues were Oberkriegsverwaltungsrat Dr. Felix Kuetgens and Kriegsverwaltungsrat Dr. Carlheinz Pfitzner (later killed in Russia).

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 04 Dec 2010 17:41

Lieber Igor,

Dr. Felix Kuetgens: 1955 - 1962 Direktor des Suermondt-Ludwig-Museums, Aachen, † 1976

His pic is here: http://www.aachener-geschichtsverein.de/historie


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Re: Higher SS / SA-ranks as Kriegs- / Militärverwaltungschef

Post by Andrey » 14 Jul 2011 08:39

Another early nice photo of Militärverwaltungsvizechef and SS-Of. Martin Matthiessen.
Source: (http://werhatinformationen.blogspot.com ... essen.html)

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 14 Jul 2011 10:49

:D :D :D

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Re: Higher SS / SA-ranks as Kriegs- / Militärverwaltungschef

Post by Dieter Zinke » 11 Sep 2011 15:39

Here is Egon Bönner
with Baltenkreuz, Schlesischer Adler 2. Stufe, Orden der Krone König Zvonimirs I. Klasse mit Schwertern (Kroatien) and Kriegsverdienstkreuz 1. Klasse mit Schwertern

See also http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1627625

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Re: Higher SS / SA-ranks as Kriegs- / Militärverwaltungschef

Post by Schloss Adler » 23 Nov 2011 15:27

Quick question...

This question may be long-winded, and I apologize if it has been answered someplace else (I've looked around but could not find a clear answer). I do realize that this topic is a very confusing one and is still being studied, and that an answer may not be available at the present time....

I know that the the Kriegs-/Militarverwaltungschefs was a special career in the Heer, and individuals of General officer rank holding such a position are listed in the "Die Generale des Heeres" series. However my question is for those officers who were members of the SS or SA who were Kriegs-/Militarverwaltungschefs, but who were not necessarily general officers in their respective branches (e.g., Militärverwaltungschef Dr. sc. pol. Wilhelm Otto Burandt, SA-Standartenführer). These individuals no not appear in the "Die Generale des Heeres" but wear the uniform of a general of the Heer (with blue-grey collar tabs, etc). So my question is this:

If I were to make a list of general officers of the Army (which I am), would I list these individuals (although they don't appear in the Bradley series)? If so, perhaps they had the "right to wear the uniform of an army generalmajor or generalleutnant uniform" (such as Helldorf (SA) had the right to wear the uniform of a Generalmajor der Polizei) and would thus be technically members of the army.

Again, sorry for the long question. I know that this is a very confusing topic and it is still being studied by the experts on this forum.

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Doug

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Re: Higher SS / SA-ranks as Kriegs- / Militärverwaltungschef

Post by Dieter Zinke » 23 Nov 2011 15:37

Without any doubt these people must belong to the "Generale des Heeres", but as I know the editor Dr. Dermot Bradley (+) and others were not interested in them - maybe because of the SS/SA/civilian career before.

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