Police Operation at Marseilles, France

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 30 Jul 2004 17:48

WojtekK wrote:Hi Georges, Dieter and Phil !

Maybe this Police officer was SS-Oberf. und char. Gen. Maj. d. P. (later SS-Brif. u. Gen. Maj. d. P.) Hellmut Mascus, BdO Paris ?

Who is this SS-Staf. on photo ? Knochen ?

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Hallo Wojtek,

unfotunately this can' t be Mascus.

But at right ??

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Post by Wilfried Abenaschon » 30 Jul 2004 20:58

Hi,

I think that the SS officer on the far right may be Karl Bömelburg the Gestapo head in France.

If it is Meyzsner on an official visit, why is he behind his homologue as a second rate official...

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Post by Wilfried Abenaschon » 30 Jul 2004 21:31

Just some more info:

Oberg:
SS-Gruf.u.Gen.Lt.d.Pol.: 20. Apr. 1943
SS-OGruf.u.Gen.d.Pol.: 1. Aug. 1944

Scheer:
SS-Gruf.u.Gen.Lt.d.Pol.: 26. Feb. 1944

Befehlshaber der Ordnungspolizei (BdO) Paris: May 1943-1944.

Either it is Meyzsner and it is after 20.04.43 or it is later (after February 1944) and the Orpo general is then probably Scheer.

Notice that in December, 1943, Darnand was named secretary-general for the maintenance of order and head of police in Vichy. The following month he was made secretary of the interior.

It does not seem like winter to me...

Does anybody have a picture of Scheer?

to Wojtek, the Stdtf is Dr Knochen.

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 30 Jul 2004 22:33

The mysterious Police-general in comparison with the real Paul Scheer

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Post by Georges JEROME » 31 Jul 2004 00:31

Dieter,


I can agree with you it look like Scheer.
Datation 1943 was not precise just in relationship with Oberg SS Gruf appointment.

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Post by WojtekK » 31 Jul 2004 08:26

Oberstab wrote:
WojtekK wrote:Hi Georges, Dieter and Phil !

Maybe this Police officer was SS-Oberf. und char. Gen. Maj. d. P. (later SS-Brif. u. Gen. Maj. d. P.) Hellmut Mascus, BdO Paris ?

Who is this SS-Staf. on photo ? Knochen ?

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Wojtek


Hallo Wojtek,

unfotunately this can' t be Mascus.

But at right ??

Oberstab


Hallo Dieter !

Why this officer could be not Mascus ?

Regards

Wojtek
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 31 Jul 2004 14:17

Wojtek,

i will send you a pm. (Mascus will appear this year in the new book of AnDie and myself, the editor is preparing print !).

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Post by Phil Nix » 01 Aug 2004 09:34

WojtekK wrote:
Oberstab wrote:
WojtekK wrote:Hi Georges, Dieter and Phil !

Maybe this Police officer was SS-Oberf. und char. Gen. Maj. d. P. (later SS-Brif. u. Gen. Maj. d. P.) Hellmut Mascus, BdO Paris ?

Who is this SS-Staf. on photo ? Knochen ?

Regards

Wojtek


Hallo Wojtek,

unfotunately this can' t be Mascus.

But at right ??

Oberstab


Hallo Dieter !

Why this officer could be not Mascus ?

Regards

Wojtek

Here is a poor shot of Mascus
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Post by Phil Nix » 01 Aug 2004 09:42

Here is one of Meyszner taken 1938 Vienna. I still think it is Meyszner in Paris
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Post by JoeW » 02 Aug 2004 13:51

The police officer on the left with SS membership was Oberg's Adjutant? He looks to be a Hauptmann? I must add that I have seen this officer before in another group shot of Oberg taken in Paris I believe and published in a contemporary reference book on the SS. Anyone have that photo or remember the book? I will find it.
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Post by JoeW » 03 Aug 2004 02:17

An interesting article on the subject was published in the English language editions of "Signal Magazine". I remembered the article that I had seen on the Marseilles operation and found it in the Prentice-Hall 1979 printing of "Signal-Years of Retreat 1943-1944" . The text explains that the operation had been planned before the occupation by the local governmental officials to clear the oldest and crime-ridden areas of the port city. There were several illustrations to accompany the text. A facade of buildings facing the quay were left intact along with local cathedral.

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Post by JoeW » 03 Aug 2004 05:30

Here is another photo of Mascus wearing a cap from late 1930s.
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Post by JoeW » 03 Aug 2004 05:46

There was indeed another photo partially reproduced herein with credit to "Les Coiffures Militaires du Troisieme Reich" par Richard de Fillipi, 1980, Paris. The photo which seems to be from the same event shows Oberg and this Adjutant, Darnand, a Stf wearing black round rimmed glasses among others. The photo is titled "2 Juillet 1944, cour d'honneur de l'Hotel des Invaides a Paris. Entoure de l'ambassadeur Fernand de Brinon, du SS-Gruppenfuhrer Karl Oberg et de Joseph Darnand, un elegant capitaine adjudant-major de la Schutzpolizei." With this possible dating, I believe the Police General is Scheer. Besides, Meyszner by this time had a very gaunt face and was taller than the general behind Oberg. Attached is a photo from his time as BdO Norwegen.
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Re: Police Operation at Marseilles, France

Post by Max Williams » 07 Sep 2010 14:45

Phil Nix wrote:Here is an enlargerment of previous picture. It is Meyszner he was HSSPF Serbien and was possibly on official business in Paris. Philmil
I would say the GenLt. d. Pol. is definitely NOT August Meyszner.
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Re: Police Operation at Marseilles, France

Post by Michael Miller » 07 Sep 2010 21:26

Looks just like the photo of Paul Scheer posted in side-by-side comparison.
Both seem to have cleft chin, similar or same ears, diminutive nose, bags under eyes.

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