Peiper in the Ardennes?

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Peiper in the Ardennes?

Post by HerrGeneral » 18 Oct 2004 14:32

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Post by HerrGeneral » 18 Oct 2004 14:33

And does anyone have better quality scans of these photos?

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Post by Tolga Alkan » 18 Oct 2004 16:42

Hi,
Both of them were taken in Kursk.

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Post by Panzermahn » 19 Oct 2004 08:47

Hi,
Both of them were taken in Kursk.


Tolga, the first picture i believe was found at Patrick Agte's Jochen Peiper book. The first photo was taken at Western Front (note the summer camo) the 2ndpicture indeed was taken during Kursk

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Post by Tolga Alkan » 19 Oct 2004 09:32

Hello,

I do have Agte's Peiper book.As far I know these are photographs from his Kursk serie.I've not seen any photo of Peiper that taken while wearing like this camouflaged uniform in Western Front.

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Post by Timo » 20 Oct 2004 12:25

No photos of Peiper in the Ardennes exist.

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Post by HerrGeneral » 20 Oct 2004 14:33

Timo wrote:No photos of Peiper in the Ardennes exist.


Hmm, I think you are incorrect, I do remember seeing a photo of him in a Schwimwagen with "Malmedy" on a signpost next to him.

Anyhow, Chan and Tolga Alkan, could you make better quality scans of these photos?

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Post by Timo » 20 Oct 2004 14:37

The "Schwimmwagen photo". Of course. How silly of me. I should have realized that Peiper was an Unterscharführer in KG Knittel and drove passed the Kaiserbaracke crossroads on 18. Dec. 1944. Thanks for correcting me.

Joachim Chan wrote:The first photo was taken at Western Front (note the summer camo)

...give me one good reason why summer camo means Western Front instead of Kursk? :?

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Post by Juha Hujanen » 20 Oct 2004 17:50

The first pic is hardly from Western Front 44.Peiper was awarded with EL in 27.1.44 and i don't see EL in that pic.

That same pic is also in cover of Reynold's book The Devil's Adjutant and he suggest that pic was taken in 11.7.43 during Kursk.And indeed there's a very similiar pic in Lehmann's Die Leibstandarte Im Bild in page227.It shows Peiper,Wolf,Guhl and Wandt before attack on Hill 252.2 in 11.7.43.

Cheers/Juha

Ps.Timo :lol: :lol: :lol: .I don't think that HerrGeneral is the first one (and surely not the last) to be fooled with Peiper's "douple" in Kaiserbaracke.

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Post by Timo » 20 Oct 2004 22:38

Cool. But it isn't Peiper.

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Post by Timo » 20 Oct 2004 22:47

a) the man in the picture, often captioned as "Ochsner", is an Unterscharführer. Peiper was an Obersturmbannführer
b) Peiper wasn't anywere near this location, the Kaiserbaracke crossroads.
c) Peiper didn't use a Schwimmwagen.

No doubt about it, it's NOT Peiper. No pictures of Peiper in the Ardennes exist.

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