5. SS-Panzer-Division 'Wiking'

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Post by Mikedc » 16 Feb 2006 22:38

Hello Jan-Hendrik,

I've Eugen Wöhrle written down as KIA on 11-8-1944, that's the info I did find.
But it could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time.
Don't have more info on the guy.


Georg,
Thanks for all the info, it's valuable for sure. And let's see if someone can help us with Rau.
And thanks for the info on Schiller, that was what I wanted to know.
Thanks also for the info on the other Rau, will look it up.

And whatever you have is most welcome.
Sometimes those DF-issues can contain alot of good info.
I only collect all what I can find about officers, about NCO's I almost collect nothing. But you can send them along,
no privates please, don't collect them.

Officers from LSSAH, Das Reich and Totenkopf are also welcome.

Greetings,
Mike

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 16 Feb 2006 22:42

Hi , Mike !

Thanks for your reply :wink:

I have an Ostuf Wöhrle witout any "Vorname" at the "Westfalen" and I still was not able to figure out where he came from , so I suggest he my be the one from the "Wiking" ...

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Post by Mikedc » 16 Feb 2006 22:47

Hello Jan-Hendrik,

No thanks, you're welcome.
Indeed it could be the same but if the DoD of E. Wöhrle is correct then it's not possible of course.
Because your Wöhrle did fight with 'Westfalen' in 1945 and then my Wöhrle was already dead.

Hope somebody can tell us a bit more about this fellow and tell us if the DoD is correct.
That way you'll know as well if he matches yours or not.


Take care,
Mike

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 16 Feb 2006 22:59

I hpoe so ,too :wink:

And I know that you are the one who knows very well how hard it is sometimes to "trace down" the fate of such men , that's why I always apreciate your input very much 8)

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Post by Mikedc » 17 Feb 2006 22:58

Hello Jan-Hendrik,

As you could see in the post from Hannes about those SS-Führer Peter J. Hertel also wrote down that
Wöhrle was killed in action on 11-8-1944, so we must assume this is correct, the more because it comes
from J. Moore's Führerliste.

And I did find yet another Wiking-officer.
Don't think he was mentioned already in this post.

Karl Picus.
Born on 20-11-1916 in Wanne(Ruhrgebiet).
Member SS(nr. ???).
SS-Obersturmführer d.R.
At the beginning of 1945 he served with SS-Panzer-Regiment 5 ‘Wiking’ from 5. SS-Panzer-Division ‘Wiking’
within IV. SS-Panzer-Korps.
On 17-4-1945 he received the Knights Cross.
At that time he was fighting at the Southerneastern front.
He also received the 1939 EK II and the 1939 EK I.
Died on 4-7-1997 in Kiel.

Hope somebody can tell us his SS-number???
Greetings,
Mike

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 17 Feb 2006 22:59

Yes , already saw this . So I can cancel "my" Wöhrle in the direction "Wiking" . But I hope somebody will dig out something about this Ostuf Wöhrle . He remains the only one where I still have found anything :oops:

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Post by Mikedc » 18 Feb 2006 12:52

Don't think the following has been mentioned already in this post.

It's most about officers from 'Wiking' here but maybe this info is interesting for somebody.

Lutz Bormann.
Born on 16-5-1924 in Berlin.
He followed the Reichsschule der NSDAP.
Then he joined the Waffen-SS.
From 4-8-1942 till 11-1942 he was part of 3. Kompanie with SS-Ersatz-Bataillon 'Deutschland' in Prague.
From 11-1942 till 4-1944 he was part of 5. Kompanie from II. Bataillon with SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment
'Germania' from 5. SS-Panzer-Division 'Wiking', this as Kradmelder.
Till 4-1944 he fought with 'Wiking' at the Eastern front.
From 4-1944 till 12-1944 he attended classes at SS-Junkerschule in Prague.
Then he got promoted to SS-Untersturmführer.
From 2-45 till 5-45 he served with SS-Jagdverband 'Südwest'.
From 10-5-1948 he was locked up in a POW-camp and he tried many times to escape.
On 22-12-1948 he was set free from the POW-camp.

Source: 'Die Personen-Lexikon der NSDAP'.

Maybe somebody can tell me what rank he had when he served with 'Wiking'????
And maybe somebody can tell me when he was promoted to SS-Ustuf???


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Post by Mikedc » 19 Feb 2006 17:22

SS-Sturmbannführer Konrad Leimer.
In 10-42 he served with SS-Panzergrenadier-Division 'Wiking'.

SS-Obersturmbannführer Willy Fortenbacher.
In 9-42 he was commander from II. Bataillon with SS-Infanterie-Regiment 'Nordland'
from SS-Division(mot.)'Wiking'.


Don't think I mentioned both officers before as being 'Wiking'-officers at a certain time.


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Mike

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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 20 Feb 2006 17:23

Jan-Hendrik,

I think I found your man, Wöhrle's correct name is :

Wörrle, Helmut SS-Ostuf.
Born : 22.3.1920 in Ummendorf/Württemberg.
SS-Nr. 421 167
He was in SS-Pz.-Aufkl.-Ausb.-Abt. 2 in January 1945, which I believe became
part of SS-Panzer-Brigade "Westfalen".

Of course, this is all from John Moore's Führer's List.

Regards,

Pete

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 20 Feb 2006 17:28

Damn , you are great !!!

Tahnk you very much for this info , dear Peter !!

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Post by Mikedc » 20 Feb 2006 17:35

Looks like your Wöhrle indeed Jan-Hendrik.

I'll see if I've anything on Wörrle, could be, don't know.

Anyhow, thanks Peter for this info, guess you helped J-H out of his misery.........



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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 20 Feb 2006 17:51

Thank you guys!!!

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Post by Marc Rikmenspoel » 20 Feb 2006 20:19

One more detail on Karl Picus, he was a strange case, as his officer training came during the 1. Lehrgang für Germanisches Offiziere at Bad Tölz during 1943. The Courses for Germanic Officers were set up to provide a shortened training period (about half the time of a Kriegsjunker Lehrgang) for men who already had leadership experience in a foreign army, but needed to be brought up to speed on German practices (whereas a KJL was for men who lacked previous command experience, and needed to be taught leadership principles in addition).

Picus was born in the Ruhr. Why would he have been part of this course? I wonder if he perhaps had dual citizenship, and had previous experience with the Dutch or Belgian Army. Most of his classmates at the 1. LfGO were Dutch, Flemings, and Estonians.

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Post by Georg_S » 20 Feb 2006 21:33

Update of officer of the SS-Pz.Rgt.5
SS-Ustuf Heinrich "Mitschi" August Kerkhoff.
Ehemaligen Zugfhr 6.Pz.Kp u Später OO II./SS-Pz.Rgt.5
Born 26.4.21.
Died: 11.7.79

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Post by Mikedc » 21 Feb 2006 21:37

Hey Marc,

Thanks for telling us this extra info on Picus.


And to Georg I want to say, thanks for the info on Kerkhoff.
Didn't had anything on him, not even his name.
Thanks for sharing it with us.


Greetings to the both of you, Marc and Georg,
Mike

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