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Einsatzgruppe z.b.V. 08.39 - 09.39

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Post by Balsi » 20 Jan 2005, 12:43

Hi,

I searched some info about Udo von Woyrsch and got them. Thanks to this forum.
Now I have some questions:
On 3rd Sept. 1939 von Woyrsch became leader of the Einsatzgruppe z.b.V. (FS Himmler 02.09. 19.30 uhr)
With FS from 04.09.1939 from the Cheif of Sipo Leader of the Einsatzgruppe z.b.V. was Dr. Dr. Rasch
At http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3696 there is Rasch the Leader but my books are telling Woyrsch (see the name Einsatzgruppe z.b.V. von Woyrsch")
Is axishistory wrong?

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Post by David Thompson » 20 Jan 2005, 14:43

Balsi -- I think the Action Group was referred to by the name of its first commander, even when Dr. Dr. Rasch commanded it. From my notes:

September 1939
Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler sent a "Special Duty" Einsatzgruppe (Action Group) under Udo von Woyrsch to liquidate Polish intellectuals in the area of Katowice, Poland, and to deport the Jews of Danzig, West Prussia, Poznan, and Upper Silesia into the interior of Poland, (Hoehne 342)

September 20 1939
The head of operations of the German 14th Army in Poland, commanded by Generaloberst (later Generalfeldmarschall) Wilhelm List, reported that his troops were becoming restive "because of the largely illegal measures taken in the Army area by Einsatzgruppe Woyrsch's mass shootings of Polish Jews, aristocrats, intellectuals and priests. The troops are especially incensed that, instead of fighting at the front, young men should be demonstrating their courage against defenseless civilians." Generaloberst (later Generalfeldmarschall) Gerd von Rundstedt, the head of the German military government in Poland, then told Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler that von Woyrsch's Einsatzgruppe would no longer be tolerated in the Operations Zone. (Hoehne 343)
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Post by Balsi » 20 Jan 2005, 15:36

Thanks David for your reply.. here are my notes: http://www.balsi.de/3Reich/Verfolgung/E ... zbV-EG.htm unfortunately in german..sorry
taken from "Hitlers Einatzgruppen" written by Helmut Krausnick.. in the same book there is a note that part of the EinsatzGRUPPE z.b.V. was the "EinsatzKOMMANDO z.b.V. Rasch".

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Post by David Thompson » 20 Jan 2005, 15:43

Cool site, Balsi. Congratulations! (My German is poor; it will take me a little while to work through the notes. I'm still at the "find the verb, then circle it" stage of reading.)
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Post by Balsi » 20 Jan 2005, 15:51

thanks David.. my english is bad too.. but if possible I`ll transalte this page but I don`t know when..)))

Did you have some infos about the EG 4 in Poland under the command ofSS-Sturmbannführer Bischoff? Parts of his EG (30 men und Kriminalkomissar Schoene) came with the Wehrmacht fighting troops (50. ID) to Bromberg 1939.
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Post by David Thompson » 20 Jan 2005, 19:47

Balsi -- I've seen next to nothing in English translation about the activities of the Ensatzgruppen during the Polish campaign, other than the complaints of German generals. No doubt there's material out there (probably on US NARA or USHMM microfilm reels), but I haven't seen it.
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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 20 Jan 2005, 22:36

Balsi and David,

Here is an exact copy of a document I came across in my researches. Listing the heads of Einsatzgruppe and Einsatzkommandos for Poland, the third day after the attack on Poland.

Anlage D

Einsatzgruppen und Einsatzkommandos der Sicherheitspolizei im besetzten Gebiet.
(Stand vom 12.9.1939)


Einsatzgruppe I (beim AOK. 14): Streckenbach

Einsatzkommando 1 Hahn
Einsatzkommando 2 Müller
Einsatzkommando 3 Hasselberg
Einsatzkommando 4 Brunner

Einsatzgruppe II (beim AOK. 8): Dr Schaefer

Einsatzkommando 1 Sens
Einsatzkommando 2 Rux

Einsatzgruppe III (beim AOK. 10): Dr. Fischer

Einsatzkommando 1 Scharpwinkel
Einsatzkommando 2 Dr. Liphardt

Einsatzgruppe IV (beim AOK. 4): Beutel

Einsatzkommando 1 Bischoff
Einsatzkommando 2 Dr. Hammer

Einsatzgruppe V (beim AOK. 3): Damzog

Einsatzkommando 1 Dr Graefe
Einsatzkommando 2 Dr Schefe
Einsatzkommando 3 Albath

Einsatzgruppe VI (beim Militärbefehlsbhaber von): Naumann

Einsatzkommando 1 Sommer
Einsatzkommando 2 Flesch


Allgemeine polizeiliche Einsatzgruppe z.b.V. (Oberschlesischer Industriebezirk) Woyrsch (gleichzeitig beim AOK.14).

Sicherheitsploizeiliches
Einsatzkommando Dr. Rasch


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Post by Balsi » 20 Jan 2005, 22:51

thanks Peter,

like I thought.. than this page is wrong... http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3696 because Rasch was`nt the leader of EG z.b.V.
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Post by Andreas Schulz » 21 Jan 2005, 01:31

Hallo Balsi,

Rasch was "Führer des Einsatzkommandos z.b.V." (350 men) and "Führer des Gruppenstabes der Einsatzgruppe z.b.V. der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD" under Udo von Woyrsch.

See also the pm.

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Post by Ludger » 21 Jan 2005, 10:40

Peter J. Hertel wrote:Balsi and David,

Here is an exact copy of a document I came across in my researches. Listing the heads of Einsatzgruppe and Einsatzkommandos for Poland, the third day after the attack on Poland.

Anlage D

Einsatzgruppen und Einsatzkommandos der Sicherheitspolizei im besetzten Gebiet.
(Stand vom 12.9.1939)


Einsatzgruppe I (beim AOK. 14): Steckenbach

Einsatzkommando 1 Hahn
Einsatzkommando 2 Müller
Einsatzkommando 3 Hasselberg
Einsatzkommando 4 Brunner

Einsatzgruppe II (beim AOK. 8): Dr Schaefer

Einsatzkommando 1 Sens
Einsatzkommando 2 Rux

Einsatzgruppe III (beim AOK. 10): Dr. Fischer

Einsatzkommando 1 Scharpwinkel
Einsatzkommando 2 Dr. Liphardt

Einsatzgruppe IV (beim AOK. 4): Beutel

Einsatzkommando 1 Bischoff
Einsatzkommando 2 Dr. Hammer

Einsatzgruppe V (beim AOK. 3): Damzog

Einsatzkommando 1 Dr Graefe
Einsatzkommando 2 Dr Schefe
Einsatzkommando 3 Albath

Einsatzgruppe VI (beim Militärbefehlsbhaber von): Naumann

Einsatzkommando 1 Sommer
Einsatzkommando 2 Flesch


Allgemeine polizeiliche Einsatzgruppe z.b.V. (Oberschlesischer Industriebezirk) Woyrsch (gleichzeitig beim AOK.14).

Sicherheitsploizeiliches
Einsatzkommando Dr. Rasch


Regards,

Peter :)
Hi Peter,

great news, thanks for posting!!

But which "Militärbefehlshaber" is meant in the document?

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Post by Andreas Schulz » 21 Jan 2005, 12:01

Hallo Ludger,

Naumann was Führer der Einsatzgruppe VI der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD beim Militärbefehlshaber Posen.

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Post by Balsi » 21 Jan 2005, 12:15

Are there any infos about this EG IV.. detailled infos? I´m interested in this group came to Bromberg 1939 with parts of the 50. ID (?)
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Post by Ludger » 21 Jan 2005, 12:25

Andreas Schulz wrote:Hallo Ludger,

Naumann was Führer der Einsatzgruppe VI der Sicherheitspolizei und des SD beim Militärbefehlshaber Posen.

AnDie
Thanks Andie

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Post by Peter J. Hertel » 21 Jan 2005, 17:34

Sorry, about that folks.

In my haste to get the information above posted I inadvertently left out Posen.

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Post by Georges JEROME » 22 Jan 2005, 00:16

as "Sonderbeauftragter der polizei b AOK 14" von Woyrsch coordinate action SIPO SD and Orpo as representative RFSS next to Wehrmacht.


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