Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

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Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

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Post by Reader3000 » 22 Sep 2005, 20:32

Could we do a "Let's built" thread on the 12th SS-Panzerdivision "Hitlerjugend"? Would be very interesting. :wink:

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Post by Mikedc » 22 Sep 2005, 21:12

Hey Panzerass,

I agree, would be very interesting indeed. But I guess that goes for in fact every Division, they're all unique in their own way and they all have their charme.

For the moment I already will post something about SS-Panzer-Regiment 12.

SS-Panzer-Regiment 12 :
SS-Obersturmbannführer Max Wünsche(commander 7-44).
SS-Hauptsturmführer Wilhelm Sammann(TFK 7-44).
I. Abteilung :
SS-Sturmbannführer Jürgensen(commander 7-44).
1. Kompanie :
SS-Hauptsturmführer Berlin(commander 7-44).
2. Kompanie :
SS-Obersturmführer Helmut Gaede(commander 7-44).
SS-Standartenoberjunker, daarna SS-Untersturmführer Ulrich Ahrens.
3. Kompanie :
SS-Obersturmführer Rudolf von Ribbentrop(commander 7-44).
4. Kompanie :
II. Abteilung :
SS-Sturmbannführer Karl-Heinz Prinz(commander 7-44).
5. Kompanie :
SS-Obersturmführer Willi Kandler(commander 7-44).
6. Kompanie :
SS-Hauptsturmführer Ruckdeschel(commander 7-44).
7. Kompanie :
SS-Hauptsturmführer Bräcker(commander 7-44).
8. Kompanie :
SS-Obersturmführer Siegel(commander 7-44).
SS-Obersturmführer Herbert Höfler(commander 8-44/3-45).
9. Kompanie :
SS-Hauptsturmführer Büttner(commander 7-44).
Repair-Kompanie :
SS-Hauptsturmführer Karl Müller(commander).

Greetings,
Mike


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Post by Reader3000 » 22 Sep 2005, 21:18

For a list of the holders of the Knight's Cross of the HJ Division see here:
http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=3388

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Post by Warager » 23 Sep 2005, 04:23

some info about SS-Panzergrenadierregiment 25 :wink:

SS-Panzergrenadierregiment 25
commanders
SS-Standartenführer Kurt Meyer Bis: 14.6.44
SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl-Heinz Milius
SS-Sturmbannführer Siegfried Müller
composition:

I.Bataillon
commanders
SS-Sturmbannführer Hans Waldmüller D: 8.9.44
SS-Hauptsturmführer Alfons Ott
composition:
1. Kompanie 2. Kompanie 3. Kompanie 4 Kompanie

II.Bataillon
commanders
SS-Sturmbannführer Hans Scappini D: 7.6.44
SS-Hauptsturmführer Heinz Schrott D: 2.9.44
SS-Obersturmbannführer Richard Schulze
composition:
5. Kompanie 6. Kompanie 7. Kompanie 8. Kompanie

III.Bataillon
commanders
SS-Sturmbannführer Karl-Heinz Milius
SS-Hauptsturmführer Alfred Brückner
SS-Hauptsturmführer Whilhelm Dehne
composition:
9. Kompanie 10. Kompanie 11. Kompanie 12. Kompanie
13. Kompanie 14. Kompanie 15. Kompanie 16. kompanie

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Post by Reader3000 » 23 Sep 2005, 15:54

Thanks for the interest and contribution. I hope to see many people participating here :)

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Post by Miha Grcar » 23 Sep 2005, 16:50

I wonder when spontaneous Let's builds for the Heer will come into existance.. ;)

Perhaps this may be of interest: http://www.thehistorynet.com/wwii/blboysoldiers/

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Post by Bittrich » 24 Sep 2005, 05:11

I don't know if this is an appropiate responce, but how about Divisional Commander Fritz Witt. Until he was killed on June 14, 1944. Also Hubert Meyer Chief of Staff for the entire duration of the Division and author of an excellent account of the 12th SS.

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Post by Reader3000 » 25 Sep 2005, 19:26

@Bittrich: And what do you want to say with that? :wink:

@all: Did you see the list of Knight's Cross holders of the HJ Division, which I made at forum.panzer-archiv.de?

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Post by tjé » 27 Sep 2005, 16:01

Bonjour, some info about the

SS Panzergrenadier Regiment 26

Ostubaf Mohnke Wilhelm 21 06 43/ 19 08 44
Ostubaf Krause Bernard 19 08 44/ 19 02 45
Stubaf Kostenbader Erich 19 02 45/ 08 03 45
Ostubaf Braun Erich 08 03 45/ 00 00 45

I/SS Pz Gren Rgt 26

Stubaf Krause Bernard 00 07 43/ 19 08 44
Hstuf Hein Gerhard 19 08 44/ 05 01 45
Stubaf Kostenbader Erich 05 01 45/ 19 02 45
Hauptmann Schmitt ?? 19 02 45/ 00 00 45

II/SS Pz Gren Rgt 26

Stubaf Siebken Bernhard 00 06 43/ 25 09 44
Hstuf Hauschild Karl 25 09 44/ 22 12 44
Hstuf Ott Alfons 22 12 44/ 00 00 45

III (gep)/SS Pz Gren Rgt 26

Stubaf Bremer Gerhard 00 07 43/ 30 10 43
Stubaf Olböter Erich 30 10 43/ 02 09 44
Hstuf Urabl Georg 00 09 44/ 23 09 44
??
Stubaf Urabl Georg 00 00 44/ 22 12 44
Stubaf Brandt Hermann

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Post by Marc Rikmenspoel » 27 Sep 2005, 19:42

The III.(gep.)/SS-PGR 26 had some tough times among its commanders. Bremer started out as the commander, but then a young Ustuf. was caught in a compromising sexual act, and committed suicide. His father was a Gauleiter, and was furious over the situation, and Bremer ended up trading places with Olboeter, who had been the first commander of SS-PAA 12 (Bremer and Olboeter had both been successful company commanders in SS-PAA 1 under Panzermeyer).

Olboeter ended up dying in surgery after his command vehicle drove over a mine on a road in the Ardennes, during the retreat back to Germany in September 1944. The mine had been placed by the Belgian resistance, and the blast basically tore his legs off. His successor Urabl was riding in the command Panther of Arnold Jürgensen (commander of I./SS-PR 12) when it was knocked out near Dom. Butgenbach on December 22, 1944. The tank caught fire, and Jürgensen died of his burns, while Urabl was badly injured.

Certainly, many units went through numerous commanders, and saw many of them KIA, but it was a bit unusual that these men were lost to the unit through activities that were different than the typical "being at the forefront of the battalion during the heaviest combat."

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Post by Reader3000 » 27 Sep 2005, 20:12

Thanks for the interesting posting.

Are there dates known of the transfer of Olboeter to III./26 and Bremer to SS AA 12?

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Post by Bittrich » 01 Oct 2005, 08:00

Panzerass,

First off nice user name. I am a little curious how you came up with it though?

Secondly as far as the 12th SS it just seemed that two of the Divsion commanders needed mentioning. Hubert Meyer the Chief of Staff of the Division for the units duration. Fritz Witt who had an established military career until his death. Of course Kurt Meyer and his exploits.

It seems to me that you can not build a division with out commanders so which one would you choose? Or would you use all three? Forgive me I'm a little new at this.

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Post by Miha Grcar » 01 Oct 2005, 10:34

Bittrich

This is what Let's builds are all about; to qoute Marcus:
In an effort to improve and expand the unit histories on the site, we will be launching a new series of "Let's Build" threads.
The object is to pool our collective knowledge and reconstruct these units. No contribution is too small, no fact too obscure, equipment, armament, manpower strength, high award holders, biographical information, photographs, reference material or combat reports, everything is welcome, just remember to mention the source of your information.
This of course is an un-official "Let's build" by our comrade Panzerass, nevertheless it still deserves a fair deal of interest...:)

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Post by Harro » 01 Oct 2005, 11:13

Bittrich wrote:Panzerass
It's "tank ace" in German.

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Post by Reader3000 » 01 Oct 2005, 13:34

Yeap, tank ace, as Timo already pointed out. Not butt of a tank :wink: :lol:

I am pleased to see more and more people being interested in this "Let's build" and contributing facts here. Keep going!

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