Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

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Re: SS-Oscha. Wilhelm Doebler (Dobler)

Post by Ste » 21 Aug 2017 12:46

Moniroth You-Bell wrote:SS-Oscha. Wilhelm Doebler (Dobler)

B: 26.07.18
KIA 07.06.44 n. La Cambe
SS-Uscha. 2./SS-PAA 1 06.43
SS-Oscha. SS-PAA 12 06.44

Does anyone knows which Kp. he was in?
Wilhelm Doebler fell as member of the DIvisions-Begleit-Kompanie in Rots

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SS-Hstuf. Martin Eisenhut

Post by Georg_S » 06 Oct 2017 08:43

Hello

I wonder if someone can help me with SS-Hstuf. Martin Eisenhut, I have some mixed info on this Officer one source give his birthday as April 3 and the town of his birth is Hamborn, as you can see in the scheet I have the April 4 and birth town Düsseldorf. Does anyone know which is correct?

Any other info of Martin Eisenhut would be much appriciated.

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Re: SS-Untersturmführer Leonhardt Nagel

Post by Ste » 11 Nov 2017 13:35

Moniroth You-Bell wrote:SS-Untersturmführer Leonhardt Nagel

B:16.06.07
SS-Ustuf., TFK, II./SS-PGR 26 06.44
SS-Ustuf., TFK, 04.44
SS-SOJ. TFK-Lehrgang, SS-KTL 01.44
SS-Ustuf: 20.04.44

Most probably TFK was SS-Untersturmführer d.R. Friedrich Nagel, transferred m.W.v. 03.11.43 from KTL Wien.
Friedrich Nagel, born on 08.07.16 and promoted SS-Ostuf. on 09.11.44, SS-Nr. 156088

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Post by Ste » 15 Jan 2018 17:31

Good evening, I'm looking for the date of birth of two NCO's: Heinz Dahmann and Walter Graule.
Can someone please help me?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: SS-Ostuf. Franz Xaver Pfeffer Adj, III./SS-PzGren.Rgt.25

Post by DKig » 13 Apr 2018 03:39

Moniroth You-Bell wrote:SS-Ostuf. Franz Xaver Pfeffer

B: 10.01.1920 Schliersee Died: 02.02.2012
SS-Ostuf. Adj, III./SS-PGR 25, 06.44
===>II. not III. !

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by seaburn » 13 Apr 2018 09:04

Ste wrote:SS-Ustuf. Rudolf Götze
SS-Nr.: 473.342. * 15.06.1920 Weissenfels; 6./Pz.Gren.Rgt.25 06.44; KIA 08.07.1944
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Not sure if Rudolf Götze is the same as the POW as his Kp is listed here as the 5./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 25 but the date of capture is the same as his KIA date - plus Bergmann is still listed as MIA (as per an earlier posting on this thread which indicated he was referenced in Margolian's book - that book should give the BNA file reference for this doc as I don't have it)
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Re: SS-Ostuf. Franz Xaver Pfeffer, Adj. III./SS-PzGren.Rgt. 25

Post by DKig » 13 Apr 2018 09:46

DKig wrote:
Moniroth You-Bell wrote:Ostuf. Franz Xaver Pfeffer

B: 10.01.1920 Schliersee; Died: 02.02.2012
SS-Ostuf. Adj, III./SS-PGR 25 in 06.1944
===>II. not III. !
i don't know if he is still an Adjutant to Heinz Schrott after Scappini's death.
anybody knows?

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 16 Apr 2018 10:34

seaburn wrote:
Ste wrote:New names with units,by a document posted by John Moore.
Thanks to J Keenan there's also the link to their companies.

Ustuf Rudolf Götze
SS-Nr.: 473.342. * 15.06.1920 Weissenfels. 6./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 25 06.44. KIA 08.07.1944
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Not sure if Rudolf Götze is the same as the POW as his Kp is listed here as the 5./Pz.Gren.Rgt. 25 but the date of capture is the same as his KIA date - plus Bergmann is still listed as MIA (as per an earlier posting on this thread which indicated he was referenced in Margolian's book - that book should give the BNA file reference for this doc as I don't have it)
It's him indeed, Bart corrected me. I will maybe post something better lately, I'm on mobile now and my pc with my database is being fixed right now.

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Post by Ste » 19 Apr 2018 11:39

Here's a document where are listed the missing officers from SS-Panzergrenadier-Rgt. 25 after the fighting of 08.07.1944.
Götze is reported as missing, and between them also Steger and Bergmann were taken prisoners.
BTW, what is that document seaburn?
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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Post by seaburn » 19 Apr 2018 14:58

Ste wrote:Here's a document where are listed the missing officers from SS-Panzergrenadier-Rgt. 25 after the fighting of 08.07.1944.
Götze is reported as missing, and between them also Steger and Bergmann were taken prisoners.
BTW, what is that document seaburn?
I was sent the docs without the file reference and can't remember now who sent them - the ref on the page I posted would be a starting point for anyone looking for them (S.I.R. 567) also as posted, 'Conduct unbecoming' should have a file ref as it was cited there. There are 12 pages and the intel asked was regarding the Junkerschule that these men attended.

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by DKig » 02 Aug 2018 09:21

Bart V. wrote:
23 Feb 2010 20:36
II Btl.
Kdr Stubaf Hans Scappini
Adjutant Ostuf Xaver Pfeffer
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Bernd Wentzlau
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Gardeike
Tr. Artz Ostuf Alexander Sedlacek
It is Franz Xaver Pfeffer. He is the only one probably from the 25 SS officer corps who didn't come from LSSAH. I am making a data sheet on him right now.
Franz Xaver Pfeffer is the relative of Franz Xaver Schwarz??? anybody know?

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Post by DKig » 02 Aug 2018 09:26

Xaver Pfeffer's soldbuch
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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Post by steve248 » 02 Aug 2018 12:33

The National Archives, Kew/UK
ref. WO 208/3592

12. SS-Pz.Div., Normandy, June-???? 1944
nformation from captured POWs: SS-Sturmmann Muntau (SIR 490); SS-Sturmmann Leykauff (SIR 503)

Commander SS-Pz.Flak 12 SS-Stubaf Bremer (now Cmdr either Pz Gr 25 or 26)
Adjutant SS-Pz.Flak 12 SS-Ostuf Redel
Commander 2. Komp. SS-Flak 12 SS-Ostuf Hauck
Commander 3. Komp. SS-Flak 12 SS-Ostuf Keue
Commander 1. Zug/3. Komp. SS-Ustuf. Kalisch
Commander 2. Zug/3. Komp. SS-Ustuf. Liebich
Commander 4. Komp. SS-Flak 12 SS-Ustuf. Deutschle
Commander Versorgungs-Komp. SS-Hstuf. Maier (ex police officer)
Commander Stabs-Komp. SS-Ostuf. Möller
Commander 15. Komp. SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt. 25 SS-Hstuf. von Büttner (killed)
Commander 2. Zug/15. Komp. SS-Ustuf. Fehling



The National Archives, Kew/UK
ref. TS 26/856

“Supplementary Report of the SHAEF Court of Enquiry re Shooting of Allied Prisoners of War by 12 SS Panzer Division (Hitler-Jugend), Normandy, France, 7-21 June 1944.”
Court of Inquiry assembled in the field, 20 Aug 1944 re shootings in Normandy between 7 and 17 June 1944. The victims were uniformed but unarmed Allied POWs, some wounded. There were 20 separate incidents and 62 were shot: 60 Canadians, one British and one American.

7 June at Authie and Buron
III./SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. 25
CO: SS-Ostubaf. Karl Heinz Mylius

Btl. “Prinz”/12. SS-Pz.Div.
CO: SS-Stubaf. Prinz (later KIA)
between 27 and 33 North Nova Scotia Highlanders (3 Canadian Inf Div) were shot in 12 different incidents

8 June at near Pavie and Putot-en-Bessin
12. SS-Recce Btl.
CO: SS-Stubaf. Gerhardt Bremer
between 40 and 42 men of Royal Winnipeg Rifles (incl one officer) were shot in 2 or 3 separate incidents

The following captured personnel from 12. SS-Pz-Div. "HJ" gave testimony:
SS-Grenadier Friedrich Torbanisch
SS-Grenadier George Mertens
SS-Grenadier Bernhard Berholz (born 4 Aug 1927)
SS-Brif. Kurt Meyer
SS-Grenadier Withold Stangenberg
SS-Ustuf. Wilhelm Stremme (born 1911, Trun; 4. SS-Pi.Btl. 12)
SS-Ostuf. Paul Kuret (2.Komp./SS-Pz.Btl. 12)
SS-Stubaf. Jacob Hanreich (SS-Pz-Btl. 12)
SS-Ustuf. Karl-Walter Becker (2. Komp./SS-Aufkl.Abt. 12 "HJ")

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Post by Ste » 04 Aug 2018 10:49

steve248 wrote:
02 Aug 2018 12:33
The National Archives, Kew/UK
ref. WO 208/3592

12. SS-Pz.Div., Normandy, June-???? 1944
nformation from captured POWs: SS-Sturmmann Muntau (SIR 490); SS-Sturmmann Leykauff (SIR 503)


The National Archives, Kew/UK
ref. TS 26/856

“Supplementary Report of the SHAEF Court of Enquiry re Shooting of Allied Prisoners of War by 12 SS Panzer Division (Hitler-Jugend), Normandy, France, 7-21 June 1944.”
Court of Inquiry assembled in the field, 20 Aug 1944 re shootings in Normandy between 7 and 17 June 1944. The victims were uniformed but unarmed Allied POWs, some wounded. There were 20 separate incidents and 62 were shot: 60 Canadians, one British and one American.
There's a digital copy of this documents or they're only on paper?

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

Post by steve248 » 04 Aug 2018 20:15

I typed out the above maybe 20 years ago.
The only digital copy is by making it yourself or ordering a copy from UK NA

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