Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

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Post by Mikedc » 11 Dec 2005 10:55

I was just sorting out the info on Gröschel, I wrote down Henk's info which he got from the SS-Personalfile and
I did find the following.

Gröschel.
SS-Hauptsturmführer.
After teh second world war he was a member of the FDP in Nordrhein-Westfalen.


I really don't know where I did find this info, but most likely somewhere on the internet I guess.
Could this be Siegfried Gröschel????


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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 10 Jul 2009 20:47

Hi!Because my interest in that division is high, I also want to give my help in re-building the organization of the 12th SS.
Throught various research I was able to compile this; it's far from complete and I think that it's not 100% correct,any help,add and correction is welcome!

June 1944

Div. Stab (as of June 6, 1944)
Div. Kommandeur Brigfhr. Fritz Witt
O4 Ustuf Georg Hausrath

Führungsabt.
Ia Stubaf Hubert Meyer
1 Ord Offiz. (OO) Ostuf. Meitzel
Ustuf Kolln
3 Gen.St.Off. (Ic) Ostuf Doldi
3.Ord Off. (03) Ustuf Walter Trommer
Div.Kartenstelle Uscha Kriegge
Leiter d Nachrichtend. (LnD) Ostuf von Brandis
Feld.Gend.Kp. Ostuf Kurt Buschhausen

Quartiermeisterabt.
2. Gen.St.Off. Stubaf Buchsein
2. O2 Ustuf Lúbbe
WaMun. Stubaf. Schürer
Abt. IVa Div. Intendant Stubaf Dr. Kos
Abt. IBb Div. Arzt Ostubaf Dr. Schulz
Div Zahnarzt Hstuf Dr. Rogge
Abt. V Div Ingeniur Stubaf Manthey

IIa Stubaf Heinrich Springer
IIb Ostuf Fritz Krausse?
Kdt. Stabsquartier Hstuf. Schuch
TFK Ostuf Friedrich Wittmann

Division Begleit-Kompanie
Ostuf Guntrum
Ustuf Stier


SS-Panzer Regiment 12
Rgt. Komm. Ostubaf Max Wünsche
Adjutant Hstuf Georg Isecke
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Rudolf Nerlich
Nachrichten Offz. Hstuf Schlauss
Verwaltungsführer Hstuf. Lütgert
Rgt Artz Hstuf Dr.Stiawa
Rgt Zahnartz Hstuf. Neinhardt
TFK Ostuf. Sammann
Versorgungskompanie Ostuf Donaubauer
Kraderkundungszug Oscha Wontorra


I Abt.

AbtKdr. Stubaf Arnold Jürgensen
Adjutant Ustuf Heinz Hubertus Schroder
Stabskompanie ??
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Hans Hogrefe
Nachrichten Offz. Ustuf Jauch
Tr. Artz Ostuf Dr. Daniel
TFK Ostuf. Hugo Surkow
TFW Lt. Schulenburg
Werkstattkompanie Ustuf Robert Maier

1. Kp. Hstuf Kurt Anton Berlin
I Zug Ostuf Jurgen Chemnitz
II Zug Ustuf Teichert
III Zug Ustuf Karl Willi Dietrich


2. Kp. Ostuf Helmuth Gaede
St Obj Paul Dienemann
St Obj Ulrich Ahrens
Ustuf Richard Hermann

3. Kp. Hptm Ludemann KIA 14.6.44/Ostuf Rudolf v. Ribbentrop
I Zug Ustuf Kurt Bogensperger
II Zug Ustuf Rudolf Alban
III Zug Ustuf Erich Stagge

4. Kp. Hstuf Hans Pfeiffer
Ustuf Heinz Lehmann
Ustuf Gunther Deutscher
Ustuf Erich Pohl


II Abt.
Kdr. Stubaf Karl Heinz Prinz
Adjutant Ostuf Hartmann
Stabskompanie Hstuf Grossjohann
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Herbert Walther
Nachrichten Offz. Ustuf Komodina
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Sebastian Schwaiger
Tr. Artz Hstuf Dr. Jordan
Tr. ZahnArtz Ustuf Hofner
TFK Ostuf. Josef Breitenberger
TFW Lt. Pfannkuch
Werkstattkompanie Hstuf D.Muller
Flakzug Hscha Karl Wilhelm Krause


5. Kp SS-Ostuf Helmut Bando
I Zug Ustuf Karl Heinz Porsch
II Zug Ustuf Helmut Kunze
III Zug Ustuf Willi Kandler
IV Zug Ustuf Buchholz?

6. Kp SS-Hstuf Ludwig Ruckdesachel
I Zug Ostuf Albert Gasch
II Zug Ustuf Helmut Buchwald
III Zug
IV Zug St Obj Kurt Muhlhaus


7. Kp SS-Hstuf Heinrich Bräcker
I Zug Ostuf Heinz Hugo John
II Zug Ustuf Hartfried Zick

8. Kp SS-Ostuf Hans Siegel
I Zug Ostuf Herbert Höfler
II Zug Ustuf Jeran
III Zug Hscha Ernst Drebert

9. Kp. SS-Hstuf Wolf Buettner
Ustuf Modes



SS-Pz.Jägerabt. 12
Kdr Stubaf Jakob Hanreich
Adjutant Ostuf Winkler
Ordonnanz Offz.
Nachrichten Offz. Ostuf Siegert
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Tr. Arzt
TFK Ostuf aus der Wiesche
TFW Ustuf Gille
Stabs Kompanie

1. Kp Ostuf Georg Hurdelbrink
I Zug Ustuf Helmut Zeiner
Hscha Georg Mack
2. Kp Ostuf Wachter
3. Kp Hstuf Gunther Wöst

SS-Panzergrenadier Rgt. 25
Rgt. Kdr. Staf Kurt Meyer
Adjutant Ostuf Hans Joachim Schümann
Ordonnanz Offz. Ostuf Konig
Nachrichten Offz. Ustuf Stejskal
Rgt Artz Stubaf Dr. Gattering
Rgt Zahnartz Ostuf. Dr.Stift
TFK??
Stabskompanie Ostuf Hoffmann

I Btl (mot)
Kdr. Stubaf Hans Waldmüller
Adjutant Ustuf Willi Klein
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Exner
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Karl Striebinger
Tr. Artz Ostuf Dr.Hermann
TFK Ustuf Dr.Paster

1. Kp Oberltnt Hans Joachim Fuchs
2. Kp Ostuf Knössel
3. Kp Hstuf Heinz Peinemann
Ustuf Hans Gschaider
Oscha Benno Gerl
Oscha Hermann Wicklein
Oscha Franz Zikesche
4. Kp Ostuf Wilke

II Btl.
Kdr Stubaf Hans Scappini
Adjutant Ostuf Xaver Pfeffer
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Bernd Wentzlau
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Gardeike
Tr. Artz Ostuf Alexander Sedlacek

5. Kp Hstuf Kreilein
6. Kp Hstuf Dr.Anton Thirey
Ustuf Willing
7. Kp Hstuf Karl Heinz Schrott
Ostuf Kurt Havemeister
8. Kp Hstuf Breinlich

III Btl (mot.)
Btl Kdr. Ostubaf Karl Heinz Milius
Adjutant Ustuf Kurt Bergmann
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Breiholz
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Pohlmann
Tr. Artz Ostuf Dr.Lampel

9. Kp Obltn Fritsch
Ostuf Sassenberg
10. Kp. Obltn Joachim Dietrich
Ustuf Friedrich Suss
Ustuf Ernst Schäuble
Ustuf Werner Zetsche
Oscha Wilhelm Schumacher
11. Kp Ostuf Georg Walter Stahl
12. Kp. Obltn Wörner

13. s.I.G. Kp. Oberleutnant Kaminski
14. Flak Kp Ustuf Alois Prandtl
15. Aufklärungs Kp Hstuf von Büttner
Ustuf Reinhold Fuss
Ustuf Alfred Fehling
Hscha Wilhelm Boigt
16. Pionier Kp. Ustuf Werner



SS-Panzergrenadier Rgt. 26
Rgt.Kdr. Ostubaf Mohnke
Adjutant Hstuf Kaiser
Ordonnanz Offz.
Nachrichten Offz. Ostuf Griedel
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Rgt Artz Ostuf Dr. Lauchart
Rgt Zahnartz
TFK??
Stabskompanie



I Btl.
Btl Kdr. Stubaf Krause
Adjutant Ustuf Walter Holzel
Ordonnanz Offz.
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Klunder
Tr. Artz Unterartz Jesnaniadt
TFK Ustuf Forster

1. Kp Hstuf Kurt Eggert
Ustuf Gross
Oscha Friedrich Hahn
2. Kp. Ltn Sauer KIA 12.6.44/Ostuf Siegfried Gröschel
3. Kp. Ostuf Düvel
Ostuf Baumgart ?
Hscha/Ustuf Otto Kaiser
4. Kp. Ostuf Alois Hartung
Pak Zug Oscha Erich Wolgemuth

II Btl
Btl.Kdr. Stubaf Bernhard Siebken
Adjutant Ostuf Heinrich Andersen
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Dietrich Schnabel
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Tr. Artz
TFK
Versong. Ko. Ustuf B. Kaiser

5. Kp. Ostuf Karl Gotthard
Ustuf Kurt Rinne
6. Kp. Ostuf Heinz Schmolke
I Zug Ostuf Bayerlein
II Zug Ustuf Lutschwager?
III Zug Oscha Paul Dargel
IV Zug
Zgf Claussen
7. Kp. Lt. August Henne
8. Kp. Hstuf Herbert Fasching

III.Btl (gepanz.)
Btl.Kdr. Stubaf Erich Olboeter
Adjutant Ustuf Karl Kluger
Ordonnanz Offz.
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Tr. Artz Ustuf Steiner
TFK
Versong. Ko.

9. Kp. Obltn. Göbel
Ostuf Bruno Zantop
10. Kp. Obltn. Wilhelm Pallas
Ustuf Helmut Mader
Ustuf Gadertz?
Hscha Karl Sonnichsen
Oscha Gerhard Fritzsche
11. Kp. Ostuf Willi Hauser
Ostuf Willi Latter
Ustuf Karl Burkhardt
Oscha Willy Penshorn
12. Kp. Ostuf Riede
Ustuf Manfred Buse
Oscha Joachim Wimmer

13. s.I.G. Kp. Ostuf Polanski
Ustuf Menzel
14. Flak Kp Hstuf Stolze
15. Aufklärungs Kp Obltn Bayer
16. Pionier Kp Ostuf Trompke

SS-Pz.Aufklärungsabteilung 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Gerhard Bremer
Adjutant Ostuf Kurt Buchheim
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Gauch
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf Schenk
Tr.Arzt Ostuf Dr.Schudok
TFK Ustuf Ernst Schafer

1. (Pz.Späh) Kp. Ostuf Peter Hansmann
Ustuf Kudoke
Ustuf Flanderka
Oscha Rasmussen
2. (Pz.Späh) Kp. Ostuf Walter Hauck
Oscha Karl Jura
Ustuf Karl Heinz Becker
3. (Aufkl.) Kp. Ostuf Gunther Keue
Ustuf Hauer
Hscha Kurt Sturm
4. (Aufkl) Kp. Ostuf Heinz Beiersdor
5. (sch.) Kp. Hstuf Gerd v. Reitzenstein




SS-Pz.Artillerieregiment 12
Rgt.Kdr. Ostubaf Schröder
Adjutant Ostuf Henssler
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Anger
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf Studier
TFK Ustuf Gesell

I Abt.
Abt. Kdr. Stubaf Karl Urbanitz
1. Batt. Hstuf Gille

2. Batt. Ostuf Timmerbeil
Ustuf Erwin Hoeke
3. Batt. Ostuf Heller

II Abt.
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Alfred Schöps
Adj Ustuf Engeman? / Ustuf Karl Staudinger
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Schwarze
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Franze
Stabsbatterie Ostuf Schmidt

4. Batt. Obltn Haller
Ustuf Pfanninger
5. Batt. Hstuf Kurzbein
6. Batt. Ustuf Kilchling

III. Abt.
Abt.KDr. Stubaf Karl Bartling
Adjutant Ostuf Goricke
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Querfurth
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf Gerhard Amler
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Bohr
Tr.Artz Hstuf Dr.Busch
TFK Ustuf Zelsmann
TFW Oscha Heinze
Stabsbatterie Ustuf Amler

7. Batt. Ostuf Harald Etterich
8. Batt. Ustuf Karl Peschel
9. Batt. Ostuf Balschuweit
Ustuf Rudolf Brucker
10. Batt. Hstuf Heidrich

SS-Werferabt. 12
Abt. KDr. Stubaf W. Müller
Adjutant Ostuf Lämerhirt
Ordonnanz Offz. Alex Schulte
1. Batt. Hstuf Macke
2. Batt Hstuf Ziesenitz
Ustuf Karl Babucke
3. Batt. Ostuf Bay
4. Batt. Ostuf Dr. Erhart

SS-Flakabt. 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Rudolf Fend
Adjutant Ustuf Kolb
1. Batt. Hstuf Karl Ritzel
Ustuf Adolf Bartsch
2. Batt. Ostuf Riedel
3. Batt. Hstuf Dr. Weygand
Ustuf Hartwig
4. Batt. Ostuf Ritscher

SS-Pz.Pionierbtl 12
Btl Kdr. Stubaf Siegfried Müller
Adjutant Ustuf Freimut Betz
Ordinnanz Offz
Nachricten Offz Oscha Mild 3.8.44 /Ustuf Studier
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Dargel
Tr.Arzt Hstuf Dr. Friedrich Zistler
Tr. ZahnArtz Oscha Zickelbein/Ustuf Walter Stadelmann
TFK Ustuf Max Hornbogen
TFPi Ustuf Lorenz
Stabskompanie Hstuf Pinkernell



1. Kp. Obltn Otto Toll
Ustuf Werner Kurz
Ustuf Bruno Asmus
2. Kp. Ostuf Paul Kuret
Ustuf Walter Bauer
Ostuf Hans Richter
3. Kp Hstuf Gert Tiedke
Ustuf Keck
Ustuf Stremme
4. Kp. Ostuf Bischof

Brückenkolonne B Ustuf Richter


SS-Pz.Nachrichtenabt. 12
Abt.KDr. Stubaf Erich Pandel
Adjutant ??
1. Kp. Ostuf Dinglinger
2. Kp. Hstuf Krüger

SS-Pz.Nachschubtruppen 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Rolf Kolitz
Adjutant Ustuf Schlüter
1.Kraftf.Kp. Obltn Weiss
2.Kraftf.Kp. Ltn Schäfer
3.Kraftf.Kp. Ustuf Tiefengruber
4.Kraftf.Kp. Obltn Müller
5.Kraftf.Kp. Ustuf Bald
6.Kraftf.Kp. Ostuf Althoff
Nachschubkompanie Ostuf Siedler

SS-Pz.Instandsetzungsabt. 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Mantey (also Div.Ing.)
Adjutant Ostuf Kohlhagen
1. Werkst.Kp. Hstuf Kurt Magunna
2. Werkst.Kp. Hstuf Sprick
3. Werkst.Kp. Ostuf Trinkhaus
4. Werkst.Kp. Hstuf Klein
5. (Erstazteil).Kp. Hstuf Werner Löll

SS-Wirtschaftsbtl. 12
Btl-Kdr. Stuabf Dr. Kos
Adjutant Ustuf Paschke
Bäckereikp. Ostuf Schacksmeier
Schlächtereikp. Hstuf Dr. Metsch
Div.Verplegungsamt Ostuf Pischel
Feldpostamt Hstuf Schlebusch

SS-Sanitätsabt. 12
Abt.Kdr Ostubaf Dr. R. Schulz
Adjutant Ustuf Baierlein
1. San.Kp. Stubaf Kirchner
- 1. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Hstuf Dr. Triendl
- 2. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Hstuf Dr. App
2. San.Kp. Hstuf Vieweg
- 1. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Hstuf Diensbach
- 2. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Stabsarzt Dr. Oborny
Krankenkraftwagenkp. SS-Ostuf F. Müller

SS-Feldersatzbtl. 12
Btl.KDr. SS-Hstuf Urabl
Adjutant ???


Still to place:

Ustuf Mutke Ernst, Stabsko Pz Rgt
Ustuf Karl Heinz Fernau Pz Rgt
Ustuf Richard Kulke I/12 Pz Rgt
Ustuf Gunther Schmoock 1/12 Pz Rgt (replaced Chemnitz?)
Ustuf Helmut Flammig 1/12 Pz Rgt (from when?)
Ustuf Haubold Herbert/ Ostuf Hans Hermann Junge/ Ustuf Ehrard Wessely both had served in the 6/12 Pz Rgt ,from the invasion or they join after?

For the AA abteilung

Hscha Sepp Mahl
Oscha Wetzlmayer
Oscha Buss

For the Pio Abt.

Ustuf Fritz Poggensee
Ostuf Eichler
Oscha Behrens (4th Ko?)

Ostuf Hopf joined the III/26 at mid June,before?

Others,some came from VB:

Ustuf Manfred Dr.Pabst 2.4.11-25.6.44 Caen/Maltot Höhe 112, HVP.Preaux
Ustuf Wilhelm Gellersen 2.5.20-11.6.44
Ostuf Hans Gunther Neumann 26.12.15-29.6.44 (was NO in 19th SS Pz-Gren Rgt?)
Ustuf Hans Horneber killed 29.6.44 at Mondrainville
Ustuf Hermann Landsiedel
Hscha Robert Sander
Ostuf Dr. Siegfried Maresch
Ostuf Otto Robel
Ustuf Lothar Bachies, NO Flak-Abt.12
Ustuf Emil Alf
Ostuf Friedrich Strebel Pz Gren Rgt 26
Ustuf Wilhelm Armgardt Pz Gren Rgt 25
Ustuf Karl Appelhans Pz Gren Rgt 25
Ostuf Heinrich Buscher Pz Gren Rgt 26
Hstuf Dr. Ernst Schlünder Pz Gren Rgt 26
Ustuf Karl Zeidler Pz Gren Rgt 25

I have other names from VB,but looking at the D.o.B. I can't be sure about in what division they served. For the other names,in most of cases I have no information about when they joined the division.
I think It's all for now.

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by gunslinger » 11 Jul 2009 20:21

Hi all,

Good to see this is still alive,and people still very active with the history of the division
I myself have a break for some time now, but still interested . i'm still lurking on a regular base on this forum
Its to interesting to leave it alone,
Maybe later this year i will resume my dear hobby :)

Best regards
Henk

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 16 Sep 2009 14:17

Good Morning Gentlemen,
here I am again with this topic. After some research now I am able to add some new names to the previous org chart.
First of post the names, I have to say a HUGE HUGE HUGE thanks to Andernach who helped me very much in complete the organization, expecially for the Flak Abt but not only that.
Here it is,where possible I also add the names of the officers


June 1944

Div. Stab (as of June 6, 1944)
Div. Kommandeur Brigfhr. Fritz Witt
O4 Ustuf Georg Hausrath

Führungsabt.
Ia Stubaf Hubert Meyer
1 Ord Offiz. (OO) Ostuf. Bernhard Meitzel
Ustuf Heinz Kolln
3 Gen.St.Off. (Ic) Ostuf Gunter Doldi
3.Ord Off. (03) Ustuf Walter Trommer
Div.Kartenstelle Uscha Kriegge
Leiter d Nachrichtend. (LnD) Ostuf von Brandis
Feld.Gend.Kp. Ostuf Kurt Buschhausen

Quartiermeisterabt.
2. Gen.St.Off. Stubaf Buchsein
2. O2 Ustuf Lúbbe
WaMun. Stubaf. Schürer
Abt. IVa Div. Intendant Stubaf Dr. Kos
Abt. IBb Div. Arzt Ostubaf Dr. Schulz
Div Zahnarzt Hstuf Dr. Christian Rogge
Abt. V Div Ingeniur Stubaf Manthey

IIa Stubaf Heinrich Springer
IIb Ostuf Fritz Krausse?
Kdt. Stabsquartier Hstuf. Schuch
TFK Ostuf Friedrich Wittmann

Division Begleit-Kompanie
Ostuf Fritz Guntrum
Ustuf Erwin Stier


SS-Panzer Regiment 12
Rgt. Komm. Ostubaf Max Wünsche
Adjutant Hstuf Georg Isecke
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Rudolf Nerlich
Nachrichten Offz. Hstuf Schlauss
Verwaltungsführer Hstuf. Lütgert
Rgt Artz Hstuf Dr.Stiawa
Rgt Zahnartz Hstuf. Neinhardt
TFK Ostuf. Sammann
Versorgungskompanie Ostuf Donaubauer
Kraderkundungszug Oscha Harry Wontorra




I Abt.

AbtKdr. Stubaf Arnold Jürgensen
Adjutant Ustuf Heinz Hubertus Schroder
Stabskompanie Ustuf Ernst Mutke
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Hans Hogrefe
Nachrichten Offz. Ustuf Jauch
Tr. Artz Ostuf Dr. Daniel
TFK Ostuf. Hugo Surkow
TFW Lt. Schulenburg
Werkstattkompanie Ustuf Robert Maier

1. Kp. Hstuf Kurt Anton Berlin
I Zug Ostuf Jurgen Chemnitz
II Zug Ustuf Teichert
III Zug Ustuf Karl Willi Dietrich


2. Kp. Ostuf Helmuth Gaede
Ustuf Richard Hermann
St Obj Paul Dienemann
St Obj Ulrich Ahrens


3. Kp. Hptm Ludemann KIA 14.6.44/Ostuf Rudolf v. Ribbentrop
I Zug Ustuf Kurt Bogensperger
II Zug Ustuf Rudolf Alban
III Zug Ustuf Erich Stagge

4. Kp. Hstuf Hans Pfeiffer
Ustuf Heinz Lehmann
Ustuf Gunther Deutscher
Ustuf Erich Pohl



II Abt.
Kdr. Stubaf Karl Heinz Prinz
Adjutant Ostuf Hartmann
Stabskompanie Hstuf Grossjohann
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Herbert Walther
Nachrichten Offz. Ustuf Komodina
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Sebastian Schwaiger
Tr. Artz Hstuf Dr. Jordan
Tr. ZahnArtz Ustuf Hofner
TFK Ostuf. Josef Breitenberger
TFW Lt. Pfannkuch
Werkstattkompanie Hstuf D.Muller
Flakzug Hscha Karl Wilhelm Krause


5. Kp SS-Ostuf Helmut Bando
I Zug Ustuf Karl Heinz Porsch
II Zug Ustuf Helmut Kunze
III Zug Ustuf Willi Kandler
IV Zug Ustuf Buchholz?

6. Kp SS-Hstuf Ludwig Ruckdesachel
I Zug Ostuf Albert Gasch
II Zug Ustuf Helmut Buchwald
III Zug
IV Zug St Obj Kurt Muhlhaus


7. Kp SS-Hstuf Heinrich Bräcker
I Zug Ostuf Heinz Hugo John
II Zug Ustuf Hartfried Zick

8. Kp SS-Ostuf Hans Siegel
I Zug Ostuf Herbert Höfler
II Zug Ustuf Jeran
III Zug Hscha Ernst Drebert

9. Kp. SS-Hstuf Wolf Buettner
Ustuf Modes



SS-Pz.Jägerabt. 12
Kdr Stubaf Jakob Hanreich
Adjutant Ostuf Winkler
Ordonnanz Offz.
Nachrichten Offz. Ostuf Siegert
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Tr. Arzt
TFK Ostuf aus der Wiesche
TFW Ustuf Gille
Stabs Kompanie

1. Kp Ostuf Georg Hurdelbrink
I Zug Ustuf Helmut Zeiner
Hscha Georg Mack
2. Kp Ostuf Wachter
3. Kp Hstuf Gunther Wöst
Ustuf Rabe?

SS-Panzergrenadier Rgt. 25
Rgt. Kdr. Staf Kurt Meyer
Adjutant Ostuf Hans Joachim Schümann
Ordonnanz Offz. Ostuf Konig
Nachrichten Offz. Ustuf Stejskal
Rgt Artz Stubaf Dr. Gattering
Rgt Zahnartz Ostuf. Dr.Stift
TFK
Stabskompanie Ostuf Wolfgang Hoffmann

I Btl (mot)
Kdr. Stubaf Hans Waldmüller
Adjutant Ustuf Willi Klein
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Exner
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Karl Striebinger
Tr. Artz Ostuf Dr.Hermann
TFK Ustuf Dr.Paster

1. Kp Oberltnt Hans Joachim Fuchs
2. Kp Ostuf Knössel
3. Kp Hstuf Heinz Peinemann
Ustuf Hans Gschaider
Oscha Benno Gerl
Oscha Hermann Wicklein
Oscha Franz Zikesche
4. Kp Ostuf Wilke

II Btl.
Kdr Stubaf Hans Scappini
Adjutant Ostuf Xaver Pfeffer
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Bernd Wentzlau
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Gardeike
Tr. Artz Ostuf Alexander Sedlacek

5. Kp Hstuf Kurt Kreilein
6. Kp Hstuf Dr.Anton Thirey
Ustuf Willing
7. Kp Hstuf Karl Heinz Schrott
Ostuf Kurt Havemeister
8. Kp Hstuf Breinlich

III Btl (mot.)
Btl Kdr. Ostubaf Karl Heinz Milius
Adjutant Ustuf Kurt Bergmann
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Breiholz
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf Franz Josef Kneipp
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Pohlmann
Tr. Artz Ostuf Dr.Lampel

9. Kp Obltn Fritsch
Ostuf Sassenberg
10. Kp. Obltn Joachim Dietrich
Ustuf Friedrich Suss
Ustuf Ernst Schäuble
Ustuf Werner Zetsche
Oscha Wilhelm Schumacher
11. Kp Ostuf Georg Walter Stahl
12. Kp. Obltn Wörner



13. s.I.G. Kp. Oberleutnant Erwin Kaminski
Ustuf Karl Markart
14. Flak Kp Ustuf Alois Prandtl
15. Aufklärungs Kp Hstuf von Büttner
Ustuf Reinhold Fuss
Ustuf Alfred Fehling
Hscha Wilhelm Boigt
16. Pionier Kp. Ustuf Emil Werner



SS-Panzergrenadier Rgt. 26
Rgt.Kdr. Ostubaf Mohnke
Adjutant Hstuf Kaiser
Ordonnanz Offz.
Nachrichten Offz. Ostuf Griedel
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Rgt Artz Ostuf Dr. Lauchart
Rgt Zahnartz
TFK??
Stabskompanie Ostuf Heinrich Buscher



I Btl.
Btl Kdr. Stubaf Krause
Adjutant Ustuf Walter Holzel
Ordonnanz Offz.
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Klunder
Tr. Artz Unterartz Jesnaniadt
TFK Ustuf Forster

1. Kp Hstuf Kurt Eggert
Ustuf Gross
Oscha Friedrich Hahn
2. Kp. Ltn Sauer KIA 12.6.44/Ostuf Siegfried Gröschel
3. Kp. Ostuf Karl Düvel
Ostuf Baumgart ?
Hscha/Ustuf Otto Kaiser
4. Kp. Ostuf Alois Hartung
Pak Zug Oscha Erich Wolgemuth

II Btl
Btl.Kdr. Stubaf Bernhard Siebken
Adjutant Ostuf Heinrich Andersen
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Dietrich Schnabel
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Tr. Artz Dr. Schiitt
TFK
Versong. Ko. Ustuf B. Kaiser

5. Kp. Ostuf Karl Gotthard
Ustuf Kurt Rinne
6. Kp. Ostuf Heinz Schmolke
I Zug Ostuf Bayerlein
II Zug Ustuf Lutschwager?
III Zug Oscha Paul Dargel
IV Zug ??
Zgf Claussen
7. Kp. Lt. August Henne
8. Kp. Hstuf Herbert Fasching

III.Btl (gepanz.)
Btl.Kdr. Stubaf Erich Olboeter
Adjutant Ustuf Karl Kluger
Ordonnanz Offz.
Verwaltungsfuhrer
Tr. Artz Ustuf Steiner
TFK
Versong. Ko.

9. Kp. Obltn. Göbel
Ostuf Bruno Zantop
Ustuf Gerhard Sentke
10. Kp. Obltn. Wilhelm Pallas
Ustuf Helmut Mader
Ustuf Gadertz?
Hscha Karl Sonnichsen
Oscha Gerhard Fritzsche
11. Kp. Ostuf Willi Hauser
Ostuf Willi Latter
Ustuf Karl Burkhardt
Oscha Willy Penshorn
12. Kp. Ostuf Josef Riede
Ustuf Manfred Buse
Oscha Joachim Wimmer

13. s.I.G. Kp. Ostuf Polanski
Ustuf Fritz Menzel
14. Flak Kp Hstuf Martin Stolze
15. Aufklärungs Kp Obltn Bayer
16. Pionier Kp Ostuf Trompke

SS-Pz.Aufklärungsabteilung 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Gerhard Bremer
Adjutant Ostuf Kurt Buchheim
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Gauch
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf Schenk
Tr.Arzt Ostuf Dr.Schudok
TFK Ustuf Ernst Schafer

1. (Pz.Späh) Kp. Ostuf Peter Hansmann
Ustuf Kudoke
Ustuf Theo Flanderka
Oscha Rasmussen
2. (Pz.Späh) Kp. Ostuf Walter Hauck
Oscha Karl Jura
Ustuf Karl Heinz Becker
3. (Aufkl.) Kp. Ostuf Gunther Keue
Ustuf Hauer
Ustuf Arnold Hildebrand
Hscha Kurt Sturm
4. (Aufkl) Kp. Ostuf Heinz Beiersdorf
5. (sch.) Kp. Hstuf Gerd v. Reitzenstein




SS-Pz.Artillerieregiment 12
Rgt.Kdr. Ostubaf Schröder
Adjutant Ostuf Henssler
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Anger
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf Studier
TFK Ustuf Gesell

I Abt.
Abt. Kdr. Stubaf Karl Urbanitz
1. Batt. Hstuf Gille

2. Batt. Ostuf Timmerbeil
Ustuf Erwin Hoeke
3. Batt. Ostuf Heller
Ustuf Dr. Manfred Pabst

II Abt.
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Alfred Schöps
Adj Ustuf Engeman? / Ustuf Karl Staudinger
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Schwarze
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Franze
Stabsbatterie Ostuf Schmidt

4. Batt. Obltn Haller
Ustuf Pfanninger
5. Batt. Hstuf Kurzbein
6. Batt. Ustuf Kilchling

III. Abt.
Abt.KDr. Stubaf Karl Bartling
Adjutant Ostuf Goricke
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Querfurth
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf Gerhard Amler
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Bohr
Tr.Artz Hstuf Dr.Busch
TFK Ustuf Zelsmann
TFW Oscha Heinze
Stabsbatterie Ustuf Amler

7. Batt. Ostuf Harald Etterich
8. Batt. Ustuf Karl Peschel
9. Batt. Ostuf Balschuweit
Ustuf Rudolf Brucker
10. Batt. Hstuf Heidrich

SS-Werferabt. 12
Abt. KDr. Stubaf W. Müller
Adjutant Ostuf Lämerhirt
Ordonnanz Offz. Alex Schulte
1. Batt. Hstuf Macke
2. Batt Hstuf Ziesenitz
Ustuf Karl Babucke
3. Batt. Ostuf Bay
4. Batt. Ostuf Dr. Erhart

SS-Flakabt. 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Rudolf Fend
Adjutant Ustuf Kolb
Ordonnanz Offz Ostuf Thoma
Verwaltungsführer Hstuf. Fischer
Techn. Führer Waffenwesen Ostuf. Grimm
Techn. Führer Kraftfahrwesen Ostuf. Trost
Abt.-Arzt Ostuf. Dr. Woelke
Gefechtsschreiber Oscha. Hakenberg
Stabsbatterie Ostuf. Wilhelm
Nachrichten Offz Ustuf. Hüholt


1. Batt. Hstuf Karl Ritzel
Geschützstaffel Ustuf Adolf Bartsch
Leichter Flakzug ?
Meßstaffel Ustuf Stephan
Batterietroß Oscha Rieger

2. Batt. Ostuf Riedel
Geschützstaffel Ustuf Meurer
Leichter Flakzug Oscha Schauer
Meßstaffel Ustuf Wingelmayr
Batterietroß Hscha Herud
Kfz-Instandsetzungstrupp Oscha Sander

3. Batt. Hstuf Dr. Weygand
Geschützstaffel ??
Leichter Flakzug Oscha Bischl
Meßstaffel Ustuf Hartwig
Batterietroß Hscha Beuck


4. Batt. Ostuf Ritscher
I Zug Ustuf Czyrnik
II Zug Ustuf Bibrich
III Zug Hscha Mange
Gefechtstroß Oscha Eberhardt


SS-Pz.Pionierbtl 12
Btl Kdr. Stubaf Siegfried Müller
Adjutant Ustuf Freimut Betz
Ordinnanz Offz
Nachricten Offz Oscha Mild 3.8.44 /Ustuf Studier
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ostuf Dargel
Tr.Arzt Hstuf Dr. Friedrich Zistler
Tr. ZahnArtz Oscha Zickelbein/Ustuf Walter Stadelmann
TFK Ustuf Max Hornbogen
TFPi Ustuf Lorenz
Stabskompanie Hstuf Pinkernell



1. Kp. Obltn Otto Toll
Ustuf Werner Kurz
Ustuf Bruno Asmus
2. Kp. Ostuf Paul Kuret
Ustuf Walter Bauer
Ostuf Hans Richter
3. Kp Hstuf Gert Tiedke
Ustuf Keck
Ustuf Stremme
4. Kp. Ostuf Bischof

Brückenkolonne B Ustuf Richter



SS-Pz.Nachrichtenabt. 12
Abt.KDr. Stubaf Erich Pandel
Adjutant ??
1. Kp. Ostuf Dinglinger
Ustuf Hermann Landsiedel
2. Kp. Hstuf Krüger

SS-Pz.Nachschubtruppen 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Rolf Kolitz
Adjutant Ustuf Schlüter
1.Kraftf.Kp. Obltn Weiss
2.Kraftf.Kp. Ltn Schäfer
3.Kraftf.Kp. Ustuf Tiefengruber
4.Kraftf.Kp. Obltn Müller
5.Kraftf.Kp. Ustuf Bald
6.Kraftf.Kp. Ostuf Althoff
Nachschubkompanie Ostuf Siedler

SS-Pz.Instandsetzungsabt. 12
Abt.Kdr. Stubaf Arthur Mantey (also Div.Ing.)
Adjutant Ostuf Kohlhagen
1. Werkst.Kp. Hstuf Kurt Magunna
Ustuf Gerhard Ahlheit
2. Werkst.Kp. Hstuf Sprick
3. Werkst.Kp. Ostuf Trinkhaus
4. Werkst.Kp. Hstuf Klein
5. (Erstazteil).Kp. Hstuf Werner Löll

SS-Wirtschaftsbtl. 12
Btl-Kdr. Stuabf Dr. Kos
Adjutant Ustuf Paschke
Bäckereikp. Ostuf Schacksmeier
Schlächtereikp. Hstuf Dr. Metsch
Div.Verplegungsamt Ostuf Pischel
Feldpostamt Hstuf Schlebusch

SS-Sanitätsabt. 12
Abt.Kdr Ostubaf Dr. Rolf Schulz
Adjutant Ustuf Baierlein
1. San.Kp. Stubaf Kirchner
- 1. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Hstuf Dr. Triendl
- 2. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Hstuf Dr. App
2. San.Kp. Hstuf Vieweg
- 1. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Hstuf Diensbach
- 2. Hauptverbandsplatz-zug Stabsarzt Dr. Oborny
Krankenkraftwagenkp. SS-Ostuf F. Müller

SS-Feldersatzbtl. 12
Btl.KDr. SS-Hstuf Urabl
Adjutant ???

Other names:
Ustuf Siegfried Schneider NO in which unit?

This could be interesting about the Pz Rgt:
this four officers are listed as belonging to the 1st and 6th Ko.The fact is that, as far as we know, the 1st Ko was made of 3Zug and the names of their officers is know. Maybe this two arrived to replace the losses (Chemnitz was WIA on 9 June and moved away) but it's only an hypothesis.
For the 6th: it was made of 4 Zug, with surely Gasch,Buchwald and Muhlhaus as Ko,now this other two officers are listed as in service in the 6th in June 44,but now we have 5Zugfuhrers.
Someone know something to make it clear?

Ustuf Helmut Flämmig 1./Pz.Rgt.12 6.44 - 29.6.44
Ustuf Gunther Schmoock 1./Pz.Rgt.12 6.44

Ustuf Herbert Haubold 6/Pz.Rgt.12 6.44
Ustuf Erhardt Wessely 6/Pz.Rgt.12 6.44

Ustuf Helmut Kulke I/Pz.Rgt.12 6.44 Not know is function in the Abt

Most of the Zugfuhrers of the Pz Rgt are listed now,except 4th (1missing) and 9th Ko(1 known)

Ustuf Robert Sander - listed as Hscha KIA on 7.6.44 on VB;still unknown the specific unit where he served.

3 Officers for the 26ht Rgt,not known Abt-Ko-Zug where they were

Hstuf Dr Ernst Schlünder PzGr Rgt 26 2.44
Ostuf Friedrich Strebel PzGr Rgt 26 12.43
Ustuf Wilhelm Gellersen PzGr Rgt 26 5.44

Ustuf Emil Alf he were in the Division during the Invasion,not more know

Ustuf Manfred Emmerich 1.4.26-12.6.44 found on VB,if the rank is right by the date of death he could belonged to the 12th.
Ustuf Trautmann Willi 6.1.20-6.7.44 Also found on VB,but no information, and I think that the chances that he where in the 12th are few

That's all!!Hope you enjoy this!!

Another HUGE thank to Andernach,with his help I was able to add more and more names to the org chart, or just identify the Rgt -Abt where they were.

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by jan willem stokkers » 21 Sep 2009 12:06

1. (Pz.Späh) Kp. Ostuf Peter Hansmann
Ustuf Kudoke
Ustuf Flanderka
Oscha Rasmussen
2. (Pz.Späh) Kp. Ostuf Walter Hauck
Oscha Karl Jura
Ustuf Karl Heinz Becker has to be Ustuf.Karl-Walter Becker
3. (Aufkl.) Kp. Ostuf Gunther Keue
Ustuf Hauer
Hscha Kurt Sturm
4. (Aufkl) Kp. Ostuf Heinz Beiersdorf
5. (sch.) Kp. Hstuf Gerd v. Reitzenstein

Karl-Walter sad enough past away in august 2006, the FL of John Moore had him listed as MIA but he survived the war after POW. He was a short-time Kompaniechef untill Walter Hauck came to Turnhout in december 1943. K-W. went to Hasselt in february 1944, he became one of the Zugführers of the Führer-Bewerber-Lehrgang of SS-Hauptsturmführer Wilhelm Beck. K-W.came back to 2.Kp.AA.12 at 6-6-1944 shortly after the Allied Invasion. K-W. became POW during the retreat of Fallaise. I think John changed this already in his updates.

Sources: K-W Becker himselfs.

Jan Willem

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by gunslinger » 21 Sep 2009 13:47

Good work , Guy's :)

regards Henk

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by j keenan » 27 Sep 2009 22:42

here's another for you
Backfisch,hermann born 1916 Eberbach/N
ss-ustuf ss-flak-abt 12 5.6.44
source Der Freiwillige
Best Jamie

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 28 Sep 2009 11:39

Great!
I should add also:

Standarte Oberjunker Meyer 7/25
Ustuf Albert Wienecke Auf. Abt - probably 5th Ko
Ustuf Torkel Tillman - a swedish volunteer, killed in action on 26.6.44 I think as Kriegsberichter

I remember I read about a Ostuf Kirchner somewhere, he was involved with the war crimes of 7th June but i can't found the post where he was.The name cames from the page of a book posted on this forum

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by andernach » 28 Sep 2009 22:10

j keenan wrote:here's another for you
Backfisch,hermann born 1916 Eberbach/N
ss-ustuf ss-flak-abt 12 5.6.44
source Der Freiwillige
Best Jamie
Hello Ste, hello (and sorry) Jamie
but Hermann Backfisch was not a member of SS-FlakAbt 12.
He was a member of 14. FlaKp/25. MIA 07.06.1944.
Sure, up from 01.08.1944 the remnants of the Fla-Platoons 14./25, 14./26 and DivBegleitKp had built up a light Flak battery within the SS-FlakAbt 12, but at this time Backfisch was still MIA.

Here some more add on`s:

Stubaf. Waldmüller Hans, Kdr I./25, 05.11.1943 -
Hptm Fritz Steger, Stab I./25, 09.11.1943 – 01.07.1944
Ustuf. Willi Klein, Adju I./25, 05.11.1943 -
Ostuf. Hans-Jürgen Schühmann, O.O. I./25, 20.02.1944 - 12.05.1944
Ostuf. Egon Hermann, Btl-Arzt I./25, 12.07.1943 -
Ustuf. Werner Päster, TFK I./25, 04.01.1944 -
Ustuf. Karl Strieberger, VerwFhr I./25, 05.08.1943 – 06.06.1944
Ostuf. Herbert Knössel, KpFhr StKp , 22.05.1944 – 06.06.1944

OLt Hans-Jürgen Fuchs, KpFhr 1./25, 09.12.1943 -
Ostuf. Alfred Braun, ZgFhr 1./25, 01.12.1943 – 22.05.1944
Ustuf. August Hirsch, ZgFhr 1./25, 01.11.1943 – 15.07.1944
Ustuf. Ulrich Laabs, ZgFhr 1./25, 23.02.1944 – 07.06.1944 (WIA)

Ostuf. Josef Bigenwald, KpFhr 2./25, 21.07.1943 – 12.05.1944
Ostuf. Hans-Jürgen Schühmann, KpFhr 2./25, 12.05.1944 - 27.05.1944
Ostuf. Herbert Knössel, KpFhr 2./25, 06.06.1944 -
Ostuf. Heinz Kölln, ZgFhr 2./25, 01.11.1943 – 03.07.1944
Ustuf. Kurt Thiel, ZgFhr 2./25, 20.04.1944 -

Hstuf. Heinz Peinemann, KpFhr 3./25, 06.02.1944 -
Ustuf. Hans Gschaider, ZgFhr 3./25, 10.07.1943 – 07.06.1944 (WIA)
Ostuf. Herbert Knössel, ZgFhr 3./25, 03.11.1943 – 22.05.1944
Ostuf. Alfred Braun, ZgFhr 3./25, 22.05.1944 -

Ostuf. Paul Wilke, KpFhr 4./25, 15.08.1943 – 14.06.1944 (WIA)
Ostuf. Hans Fehrmann, KpFhr 4./25, 14.06.1944 -
Ustuf. Leendert von Düren, ZgFhr 4./25, 10.11.1943 -
Ostuf. Hans Fehrmann, ZgFhr 4./25, 18.11.1943 – 14.06.1944

Ustuf. Paul Exner, 15./25, bis 28.05.1944
Ustuf. Paul Exner, O.O., ab 28.05.1944

Ustuf. Otto Mommert, KpFhr 14./25, bis 08.07.1944 (MIA)
Ustuf. Johann Reim, ZgFhr 14./26, bis 04.07.1944 (MIA)

Ustuf. August Hirsch, Unterführerlehrkompanie, 15.07.1944 –


Greetings,

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 29 Sep 2009 15:08

Great Andernach!
Now we have more info on I/25.I have some question about it:

1)Steger took over III/25 from Milius on 14.6.44 after that he was transferred to 25th Rgt as Rgt commander,what was his function before?
2)Ostuf Braun was in the 1/25,then transferred to the 3/25 and then he get back to the 1/25 before the assault on Caen?
3)Ostuf Bigenwald in reported KIA on 8.7.44, which unit?
4)That Schuhmann is the same Schumann Adj of Rgt 25,who was killed as Zugf. in 1st in July?
5)Mommert replaced Prandlt as Ko in 14/25?

Ste

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by j keenan » 29 Sep 2009 19:17

Hello Andernach,
Thanks for that

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 29 Sep 2009 21:18

One more

Ostuf d.R. Karl Heinz Wennemuth

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by andernach » 30 Sep 2009 21:02

Ste wrote:Great Andernach!
Now we have more info on I/25.I have some question about it:

1)Steger took over III/25 from Milius on 14.6.44 after that he was transferred to 25th Rgt as Rgt commander,what was his function before?
2)Ostuf Braun was in the 1/25,then transferred to the 3/25 and then he get back to the 1/25 before the assault on Caen?
3)Ostuf Bigenwald in reported KIA on 8.7.44, which unit?
4)That Schuhmann is the same Schumann Adj of Rgt 25,who was killed as Zugf. in 1st in July?
5)Mommert replaced Prandlt as Ko in 14/25?

Ste

Hello Ste,

1) He did not have a "Dienstposten", because he was "kommandiert zum I./25 und zur Übernahme in die Waffen-SS vorgesehen".
2) Braun was Platoon-Leader within the 1./25, then he was transfered to the 3./25. I do not know when he was transfered back to the 1./25, but as far as I know after this transfer he was the CO of the 1./25. Too, I do not know what had happened to the former CO, Oberleutnant Fuchs.
3) As far as I know, he still was CO of the 2./25. On may, 12th 1944 he was brought to a "Lazarett". A detonation simulator did explode and his right hand was wounded. I do not know when or even if he did come back to his unit.
4) Hans-Jürgen Schümann (sorry, my mistake, Schümann not Schühmann) was Ordonanzoffizier in the battalions staff up to 12.05.1944, then he was transfered to the 2./25 as CO.
On 27.05.1944 he was transfered to the staff of the regiment "zur Einarbeitung als Rgt Adju.". He took over the 1./25 as CO on 23.06.1944. In John Moore`s "Führerliste" he is mentioned as KIA on 08.07.1944 as CO 1./25.
5) This point is not really cleared up. In the "Führerliste" Alois Prantl is mentioned as CO in June 1944. Otto Mommert is mentioned as CO, too (as he was MIA on 08.07.1944).

Greetings,

andernach

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 02 Oct 2009 16:24

Thanks for the information Andernach.

Laabs and Gschaider were the 2 officers of I/25 wounded on 7 June; if I remember well Hubert Meyer report also one officer missing,but I don't remember if he was only separated from his unit and later return or not.
Oberleutnant Fuchs as far as I know was wounded during the final assault on Caen;if Schumann took over the company on 23.6.44 I can do some hypothesis:
-Fuchs was wounded or transferred (but I don't think so)
-Fuchs was ordered to hand over the company if Schumann was more expert/competent
-Schuhmann was a platoon leader,but this is in contrast with what you write.

Anyway great job for the I/25!

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Re: Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv?

Post by Ste » 15 Nov 2009 17:53

Hello to everyone!
I found new names of officers from the 12th SS,hope this could be useful to get the organization chart more complete:

Ostuf Gunther Gornik 365320
Hstuf d.R. Waldemar Schütz 372395
Ostuf d.R. Hans Berg 423649
Ostuf d.R. Hans Bösenberg 314066
Ostuf d.R. Jakob Büchner 273551
Ostuf d.R. Konrad Krallinger 265666

This four are yet known, I just add their names and party numbers

Ostuf d.R. Fritz Ritscher 73979 (4 Flak)
Hstuf d.R. Karl Busch 208587 (I don't remember)
hstuf d.R. Eugen Heidrich 43268 (10/Art)
Ostuf d.R. Hans Baumgardt 3616 (3/26, a very low party number,how old was he?)

All promoted Ostuf/Hstuf on 20.4.44

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