Let's build 12. SS-PzDiv.?

[waffen-IDF]

I got a Albert Gasch who was promoted Ustuf.d.res:20.4.42 SS-Totenkopf Div.
B:1.10.14

I think they are sthe same person. Can someone please verify? Also need his SS No. and promtion to Ostuf. Many thanks.

[Ste]

I don't have his d.o.b. but my Gasch is Ostuf Albert Gasch,so I think that's him

One other: Ustuf Kurt Dorer in SS-Pz.Gr.Regt. 25

[Bart V.]

Bataillonsarzt of the Pionier-Bataillon 12 was Dr. Zöbelein. He joined it in Juli 1944.

[j keenan]

Gasch ssnumber 82 864
1/pz jg abt tk 4.42
7/pz rgt 12 3.45
Dorer d.o.b 29.10.21 ssnumber 414 054
pz gren rgt 25 3.44
Georg Zöbelein d.o.b 8.3.13
Best Jamie

[Ste]

Hey,that's me again,in my favourite topic!!Great to see that someone still keep on writing on this topic!During my searches on VB and on other websites now I can propose new names,some of them have to be checked but maybe we can add more names to the division's organization.

From feldgrau forum:

Hstuf Helmut Schlauss (NO Pz Rgt, add first name)
Hstuf Bruno Kaiser (Mohnke's adjutant? or Versong. Ko. II/26?)
Ostuf Alfred Franze 333301 (no more info known)

From VB and others:

Ustuf Manfred Emmerich 1.4.26-12.6.44
Ustuf Siegfried Held 15.2.22-14.6.44
Ostuf Fritz Kastner 5.3.17-18.6.44 (maybe 15or 16 Ko/26?)
Ostuf Werner Kophamel 20.1.21-24.6.44
Ustuf Heinz Höfer 17.2.22-29.6.44
Ostuf Friedrich Kahler 16.2.21-30.6.44
Ustuf Gunther Gotzen 21.7.22-1.7.44 Bordel
Ustuf Trautmann Willi 6.1.20-6.7.44
Ostuf Hermann Baierlein 2.2.17-6.7.44 (was Ostuf Bayerlein reported by Meyer in 6/26 with mispelled name and d.o.d?)
Ustuf Hans Helmut Gundisch 15.8.21-10.7.44 Maltot
Hstuf Anton Stehno 1913-10.7.44

[andernach]

Hey,that's me again,in my favourite topic!!Great to see that someone still keep on writing on this topic!During my searches on VB and on other websites now I can propose new names,some of them have to be checked but maybe we can add more names to the division's organization.

From feldgrau forum:

Hstuf Helmut Schlauss (NO Pz Rgt, add first name)
Hstuf Bruno Kaiser (Mohnke's adjutant? or Versong. Ko. II/26?)
Ostuf Alfred Franze 333301 (no more info known)

From VB and others:

Ustuf Manfred Emmerich 1.4.26-12.6.44
Ustuf Siegfried Held 15.2.22-14.6.44
Ostuf Fritz Kastner 5.3.17-18.6.44 (maybe 15or 16 Ko/26?)
Ostuf Werner Kophamel 20.1.21-24.6.44
Ustuf Heinz Höfer 17.2.22-29.6.44
Ostuf Friedrich Kahler 16.2.21-30.6.44
Ustuf Gunther Gotzen 21.7.22-1.7.44 Bordel
Ustuf Trautmann Willi 6.1.20-6.7.44
Ostuf Hermann Baierlein 2.2.17-6.7.44 (was Ostuf Bayerlein reported by Meyer in 6/26 with mispelled name and d.o.d?)
Ustuf Hans Helmut Gundisch 15.8.21-10.7.44 Maltot
Hstuf Anton Stehno 1913-10.7.44

Sorry Ste,

To many SS-Divisions in Normandy to check via VB.
Please take a look:


From feldgrau forum:

Hstuf Bruno Kaiser 06.01.1919 Adjutant PzGrenRgt 26
Ustuf Kaiser Bruno 11.07.1914 3./PzGrenRgt 26
Ostuf Alfred Franze 333301 IVa II./ArtRgt 12


From VB and others:

Ustuf Manfred Emmerich 4./AufklAbt 12
Ustuf Siegfried Held (3./PzJgAbt 17)
Ostuf Fritz Kastner 2./PzRgt 12
Ostuf Werner Kophamel (Stab ArtRgt 1)
Ustuf Heinz Höfer (3./PzGrenRgt 3)
Ostuf Friedrich Kähler (PzGrenRgt 19)
Ustuf Gunther Götzen (5./PzRgt 9)
Ustuf Willi Trautmann (1./PzGrenRgt 22)
Ostuf Hermann Baierlein 6./PzGrenRgt 26
Ustuf Hans Helmut Gündisch (2./PzGrenRgt 21)
Hstuf Anton Stehno (4./PzGrenRgt 37)

Best wishes,

andernach

[Ste]

You're right Andernach.
VB could be more useful if the place of death will be reported.Unfortunatly,for most of those who died during the Invasion no place of death are reported,and this does not help.
Anyway,thank you for your help!

[Bart V.]

I./ SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment 25

Kdr.: Sturmbannführer Waldmüller
Adjudant: Untersturmführer Klein
OO: Untersturmführer Exner
Verwaltungsführer: Untersturmführer Striebinger
Tr. Arzt: Obersturmführer Dr. Hermann
TFK: Untersturmführer Päster

[Bart V.]

Führungsabt.
Ia Stubaf Hubert Meyer
1 Ord Offiz. (OO) Ostuf. Meitzel
3 Gen.St.Off. (Ic) Ostuf Günter Doldi
3.Ord Off. (03) Ustuf Walter Trommer
Div.Kartenstelle Uscha Kriegge
Leiter d Nachrichtend. (LnD) Ostuf (*) von Brandis
Feld.Gend.Kp. Ostuf Kurt Buschhausen

(*) Could it be Jost von Brandis?

[Ste]

Yes

[Bart V.]

The III.(gep.)/SS-PGR 26 had some tough times among its commanders. Bremer started out as the commander, but then a young Ustuf. was caught in a compromising sexual act, and committed suicide. His father was a Gauleiter, and was furious over the situation, and Bremer ended up trading places with Olboeter, who had been the first commander of SS-PAA 12 (Bremer and Olboeter had both been successful company commanders in SS-PAA 1 under Panzermeyer).

Olboeter ended up dying in surgery after his command vehicle drove over a mine on a road in the Ardennes, during the retreat back to Germany in September 1944. The mine had been placed by the Belgian resistance, and the blast basically tore his legs off. His successor Urabl was riding in the command Panther of Arnold Jürgensen (commander of I./SS-PR 12) when it was knocked out near Dom. Butgenbach on December 22, 1944. The tank caught fire, and Jürgensen died of his burns, while Urabl was badly injured.

Certainly, many units went through numerous commanders, and saw many of them KIA, but it was a bit unusual that these men were lost to the unit through activities that were different than the typical "being at the forefront of the battalion during the heaviest combat."

Does anyone have a name of this Untersturmführer?

[Heimatschuss]

Hello Bart,

it was Wilfried Murr, son of Württemberg Gauleiter Wilhelm Murr. More on the case here http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... rr#p625182

Best regards
Torsten

[Bart V.]

Thanks for the answer, Torsten.

[Bart V.]

II Btl.
Kdr Stubaf Hans Scappini
Adjutant Ostuf Xaver Pfeffer
Ordonnanz Offz. Ustuf Bernd Wentzlau
Verwaltungsfuhrer Ustuf Gardeike
Tr. Artz Ostuf Alexander Sedlacek

It is Franz Xaver Pfeffer. He is the only one probably from the 25 SS officer corps who didn't come from LSSAH. I am making a data sheet on him right now.

[Bart V.]

Does anyone know if and when SS-Hauptsturmführer Dr. Thirey got wounded? Promotion date to SS-Hauptsturmführer?

Many thanks