Identification of Waffen-SS (mostly) RKT

Hardigan · Post by **Hardigan** » 12 Jul 2006 17:14

Ivan, the Stubaf. in picture 7 looks like Otto Baum to me , you can see the KC and DK

Hardigan

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 12 Jul 2006 17:28

Well, I thought those could be RK & DKiG as well,
but the quality of photo isn't good, so - not sure... (but, maybe it is Baum).

What about my list of RKT of Wiking's Pz.Rgt. ?
If I haven't missed anyone, then the mystery SS-Ustuf. could be:
Helmut Bauer, Kurt Schumacher, or Alfred Großrock.
I'd say - Bauer (with SS-Ostuf. Schumacher).

Cheers,
Ivan

Hardigan · Post by **Hardigan** » 12 Jul 2006 17:47

Yes, I also think it's Bauer and Schumacher
Here's another picture of Bauer

Marc Rikmenspoel · Post by **Marc Rikmenspoel** » 12 Jul 2006 19:37

I agree, #7 is Baum. I think #4 is quite likely Paul Senghas, awarded the DKiG as Hscha. before he became an officer (and eventually won the RK). As to Bauer, I've mentioned this before, but I'm fairly certain the photo in Yerger's images of the Waffen-SS on page 155 shows Bauer (labelled as "another RK holder") with Mühlenkamp.

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 12 Jul 2006 20:39

Marc Rikmenspoel wrote:I think #4 is quite likely Paul Senghas

Could be, Marc!
The man sure has goblin-ears like Senghas.
Btw, in famous photo with Kümmel, Mühlenkamp & Schumacher - is Senghas the 4th man (SS-Ustuf) ?

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 12 Jul 2006 20:39

03
SS-Ustuf. Schumacher & SS-Ustuf. Senghas (summer 1943) ?

Hardigan · Post by **Hardigan** » 12 Jul 2006 20:56

I also think picture 3 and 4 is Senghas

Hardigan

Mark V. · Post by **Mark V.** » 12 Jul 2006 21:49

Excellent brainstorming, guys

!

Ivan add these three to your list:

16.10.1944
SS-Oberscharführer Hugo Ruf (Zugführer 3./SS-PzRgt 5)

17.04.1945
SS-Hauptscharführer Sepp Draxenberger (Zugführer StabsKp/SS-PzRgt 5)

06.05.1945
SS-Hauptsturmführer Karl-Heinz Lichte (Chef 5./SS-PzRgt 5) - though I'm not sure what's currently with his RK status

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 12 Jul 2006 22:00

Thanks, Mark (I forgot to check NCOs as well).

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 12 Jul 2006 22:07

Identifications so far:

01 - Schönfelder & Gille & unknown (Wiking)
02 - Bauer & Schumacher & unknown (Wiking)
03 - Schumacher & Senghas (Wiking) -agree?
04 - Senghas (Wiking)
05 - unknown & unknown (Rgt.Deutschland)
06 - unknown
07 - Baum
08 - unknown
09 - Weiser
10 - Kaiser
11 - Harmel
12 - unknown & unknown & unknown

Mark V. · Post by **Mark V.** » 12 Jul 2006 22:12

Ivanwss wrote:Identifications so far:
03 - Schumacher & Senghas (Wiking) -agree?

Yes, definitely.

This officer is also still looking for his name.

Marc Rikmenspoel · Post by **Marc Rikmenspoel** » 13 Jul 2006 07:46

In the first photo, there's a decent chance the man at right is the O1. He doesn't look like Günter Jahnke, who took over the post in late spring 1944, and won the DKiG in 1945. So it might be his predecessor, W. Westphal (I'll check John Moore's Führerliste and try to find what the man's first name was).

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 13 Jul 2006 09:27

Here's another "Wiking" postcard from 1943, I believe,
showing SS-Brigadeführer Gille with SS-Sturmbannführer... (Schönfelder) ?

(source: the same as for previous postcards)

Ivan Ž. · Post by **Ivan Ž.** » 13 Jul 2006 09:53

Since I've "caught" a nice group of identificators in this thread,
I thought I could use your oppinion for my d'Alquen identifications
(this is especially for Marc R, since he's an SS-KB expert).

Would you agree:

Himmler talking with d'Alquen
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ht=dalquen
Himmler & Pleiß with d'Alquen (see my last reply)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... start=1830
Fritz Witt with d'Alquen (4th photo)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ht=dalquen

Thanks in advance,
Ivan

Marc Rikmenspoel · Post by **Marc Rikmenspoel** » 13 Jul 2006 19:09

Schönfelder didn't get the RK until February, 1944. The postcard photo has wreathes and a setting that looks like those from the funeral of August Dieckmann at Korssum, on October 13, 1943. I have a sequence of photos from that day, taken by Estonian SS-KB Cornelius Kok, and this is probably another shot from that set. I know that SS-PAR 5 commander, future RK winner Joachim Richter, was wearing a helmet at this ceremony, so it makes sense that Gille and Schönfelder are too. Ironically, if you read Fritz Hahl's comments in he Panzergrenadiere der Panzer Division Wiking book, the Westlanders essentially blamed Gille for placing Dieckmann into an impossible situation at Foxtail Island on October 10, where Dieckmann was killed leading an almost hopeless attack (Dieckmann knew the situation, and being a responsible commander, was determined to be at the head of his men, rather than sitting safely at the rear while they were sent on a suicide mission).

As to the D'Alquen photos, I do think it is he in them. It makes sense that he would bring a press staff along when Himmler journeyed to Greece to decorate celebrated members of the LAH. Fritz Witt might be pointing out where Franz Witt, his younger brother, was killed a few days earlier. In the Pleiss photo, that's Rudolph Lehmann over Himmler's left shoulder.